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rgndvo
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they actually have a post on bpro's new unfiltered section where woolner posts about the best and worst OF arms, based on number of runners that scored from second on a single. He said that the dodgers last year were the 6th worst in baseball with ethier-lofton-drew noted as the OF. And thats not 6th worst team, that is 6th worst trio of OFs with some teams represented a couple times.
Now, unfortunately this rough analysis doesnt allow for any individual arm to be evaluated but it would stand to reason that if there were only 5 OF combos worse than Ethier-Lofton-Drew and it seems to me that pierre and gonzo are worse than their counterparts, it could be the worst in baseball.
Subsequently, the worst for last year crawford-baldelli-hollins.
If you have a subscription you can read about it at
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=70
Oh, and the dbacks were rated 5th best with gonzo-davanon-green so maybe this metric isnt the best.... |
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| How did Gonzo/Davanon/Green get in the postive? |
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stu
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| shoewizard wrote: |
| How did Gonzo/Davanon/Green get in the postive? |
GIGO. Shoe, at some point you must realize thse defensive stats are crap.
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TAP
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| stu wrote: |
| shoewizard wrote: |
| How did Gonzo/Davanon/Green get in the postive? |
GIGO. Shoe, at some point you must realize thse defensive stats are crap.
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Josh himself opined that on August 27th regarding individual D stats.
Stu asked about what they were using to judge fielding, and Josh cited the difficulty in gauging this via only statistical analysis (tho he was aware of various attempts). He said that the most value that he saw in those were more in "team defense"... giving the example about how they had noticed that the Dbacks were giving up an inordinate number of doubles and triples.. and that they wanted to address that. (He didn't mention names, but everyone KNOWS the players that were being referred to).
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| stu wrote: |
| shoewizard wrote: |
| How did Gonzo/Davanon/Green get in the postive? |
GIGO. Shoe, at some point you must realize thse defensive stats are crap.
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I would think the content of my post would indicate my lack of faith in this metric. 
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EvilJuan
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| Gatos trying to drum up "Benedict" Gonzo hatred on KTAR call in show tonight, exhorting Dbacks fans to "hate" the guy and throw away all their Gonzo gear... |
Gatos is an idiot. He's the only guy on radio who can make Gambo and Ash sound like Einstein and Fermi.
Having wasted a few minutes reading the comments at azcentral.com's article (not the board) about Gonzalez signing with the Doggers, the "love" for Gonzo hasn't begun to diminish in this town.
The best answer isn't to burn your Gonzo gear; it's to burn Gonzo every time he comes to town, turning singles into doubles, scoring from third on routine fly balls, and cheering like mad every time he hits a grounder to second...
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TAP
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| EvilJuan wrote: |
| moviegeekjn wrote: |
| Gatos trying to drum up "Benedict" Gonzo hatred on KTAR call in show tonight, exhorting Dbacks fans to "hate" the guy and throw away all their Gonzo gear... |
Gatos is an idiot. He's the only guy on radio who can make Gambo and Ash sound like Einstein and Fermi.
Having wasted a few minutes reading the comments at azcentral.com's article (not the board) about Gonzalez signing with the Doggers, the "love" for Gonzo hasn't begun to diminish in this town.
The best answer isn't to burn your Gonzo gear; it's to burn Gonzo every time he comes to town, turning singles into doubles, scoring from third on routine fly balls, and cheering like mad every time he hits a grounder to second...
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2nd that motion.
And it's Gaydos (not Gatos), as in two loving amigos.
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TAP
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Luis Gonzalez today after signing his 1-year deal with LA: “This reminds me of the way the Diamondbacks built their team — veteran guys who want to win.”
As opposed to younger guys who don't want to win?  |
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matt
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Why did he have to turn into such a buttplug? |
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B. O. N. D.
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Who you calling a buttplug?
Jose Luis Gonzalez
DOB: 9/6/1960
Ht./Wt.: 5'7" /150lbs
Charges: FTA/Violence
I mean, just because I live in Butte County... 
Alright, I'm drunk.
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misterx
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lol that is great
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rgndvo
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Look better?
Bottom 5 Outfields 2006
Team Opps Extra Bases Kills Pct
Giants 428 241 16 .563
Brewers 426 235 12 .552
Padres 384 211 8 .549
D’Backs 434 236 8 .544
Nationals 512 276 26 .539
this from another guy at Bpro |
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