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shoewizard

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B. O. N. D. · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject:

I just can't stop smiling. Very Happy

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foulpole · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1358

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:31 am Post subject:

"This is an offseason where organizations are investing tens of millions of dollars on five-year deals for players like Juan Pierre and Gary Matthews Jr.. There's a good chance Chris Young outperforms both of those guys in 2007 for about one-twentieth of the salary. "

i for one will look at those numbers compared to him all year
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shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:11 am Post subject:

One key for everyone is going to have to be to focus on OBP with Young, as he is likely to still struggle with his batting average at times.

The average fan will not be as enamored with young until he goes 30-30, because they don't understand or appreciate OBP, thanks to the total neglect of this stat on Television and in the media.

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:14 am Post subject:

Perhaps....but don't mistake him for a Sabermetric guy.

From what I understand, they were already planning on having OBP featured more often in 2007 broadcasts. It had something to do with where they were getting there stat graphics package from, and they SHOULD be able to show it more often in 2007.

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NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:27 am Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:50 am Post subject:

You can't foist OPS on an audience that doesn't even understand OBP

You have to get the audience familiar with OBP, simply by putting it on the screen every day for 162 days year in year out, and eventually, people will just "get it"

I see it on plenty of other teams broadcasts. They don't need to reinvent the wheel. They just simply need to show THIS each and every time a guy comes to bat.

EvilJuan · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:55 am Post subject:

dirtygary · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:04 am Post subject:

I wouldn't know what to do with that.

Can't complain about that kind of review. I'd like to see the OBP higher for Young, though. Unfortunately, he won't be on the bases much to use that speed. I'm hopeful that he figures it out quickly cuz the casual fan will be screaming for Justin Upton after next year if Young is posting a .258 BA.
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shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:18 am Post subject:

Which is precisely why you stick OBP up there all year.

Just like people have a "sense" for what is a good batting average because of years of exposures, it will take years of exposure for fans to understand what a good OBP is. But you have to start SOMEWHERE!!!

OBP is far more important than BA It just is. It's not opinion. It's fact.

And the sooner fans learn that, the better. The dumbing down of the fan base has GOT to stop.

Projekt · AAA Stud Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 72

^ Yep. It doesn't really matter how someone gets on base, but just that they get on base. I don't think OPS is that hard to understand. If anything, just put SLG next to OBP this year. If they are separated, it gives you even more information...

TAP · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:30 am Post subject:

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

Am glad that shoewiz is finally on the Chris Young bandwagon. Last year at this time, he was ready to trade him to the Yankees for Jaret Wright... Wink

matt · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:39 am Post subject:

TAP · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:43 am Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:45 am Post subject:

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:53 am Post subject:

Obviously I am.....nice use of quote tags Rolling Eyes

dirtygary · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:56 am Post subject:

I was being slightly sarcastic earlier about not knowing what to do with the OBP. A few of you have gotten on me about not valuing the OBP enough in some of these dialogues, but it's actually the opposite. I was always about who made the fewest outs, what happened in between the HR's, etc. But it was my buddies that were really good at baseball, and eventually wound up playing in the bigs, that said I didn't value BA enough. They said that it was all about RBI's, or at least RBI chances converted, and that sometimes just not making an out isn't good enough.
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TSWINDERS · Journeyman Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 427

When I first seen him April 2005 he really grabbed my attention for his CF play. He would take a look off the bat and use that quick first step to track down balls that should have been easy doubles/triples. Then his power, CY hit a ball to dead center which is 415 in Birmingham and the ball hit off the support platform for the sound system about 450'. But I was concerned with his K rate and his rather low BB rate. I was rather surprised when I seen him this year cut down his K rate by a large number and his BB's increased as well with out losing the power. He stopped swinging at 0-2, 1-2 junk balls (sliders 8 inches outside and eye high FB's) I am excited to see how this year is for him.

dirtygary · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:40 am Post subject:

Given the projections for Young and Quentin, and with Upton and CarGo in the minors, it would be ridiculous to sign Eric Byrnes to a multi-year deal. His replacement will be ready by next year, '09 at the latest, so we'll only need him for two years. It would be much easier/cheaper/better to sign a one-yr rental to play LF, let CY and Q develop, and bring up either Upton or CarGo for '08, or repeat and bring one of them up in '09. Either way, if we're committed to a low-payroll and youth development, signing EB to a multi-year deal doesn't fit. The onyl guy we should go that route with is Hudson because we don't ahve a propsect that plays that kind of D with a .290 avg. I thought $5M was a little big for our budget, but that seems to be barely reasonable, especially if we don't have another option. But we're stocked in OF'ers, or could pick up a cheap one on the rebound, just like we did with EB.
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