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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:58 pm    Post subject: Oversight or Petty? Reply with quote

2,500 Career hits by Dodgers outfielder Luis Gonzalez. Too bad the Diamondbacks didn't acknowledge it on the scoreboard.

No one as glad to see Gonzo gone as I was but lots of people came out tonight and this weekend to see him. I saw fans I havent seen all season. Lots of purple crap too.

I know its our park are team and Gonzo is no longer a part of it but still I think they should have put it on the screen.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really don't see 2,500 hits as that big of a milestone. Just like i thought 500 doubles was overblown too.

we've groveled to Gonzo enough. Let LA throw him a party now.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: Oversight or Petty? Reply with quote

THE SHADOW wrote:
2,500 Career hits by Dodgers outfielder Luis Gonzalez. Too bad the Diamondbacks didn't acknowledge it on the scoreboard.

No one as glad to see Gonzo gone as I was but lots of people came out tonight and this weekend to see him. I saw fans I havent seen all season. Lots of purple crap too.

I know its our park are team and Gonzo is no longer a part of it but still I think they should have put it on the screen.

That was the slow bouncer off Clark that was respectfully called a hit by tonight's scorekeeper? Gonzo accomplished a lot while in AZ and was given more respect, adoration, and acknowledgement by the club, the media, and the fans for his accomplishments than any other Diamondback has ever come close to receiving.

Even ignoring the many bridges Luis torched on his way out of Arizona, he's a Dodger now.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: Oversight or Petty? Reply with quote

THE SHADOW wrote:

I know its our park are team and Gonzo is no longer a part of it but still I think they should have put it on the screen.


I wasn't aware of the milestone... and wondered why so many were standing for Gonzo on what should've been called an error. ... Found out later when on post game radio.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonzo doesn't play for the D Backs any more. You don't celebrate a hit he gets off of you unless it's a true milestone, which 2,500 isn't.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baseball is way too hung up on arbitrary counting number clubs.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was digging the way the crowd cheered when he popped out to Montero. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ordinarily, I'd agree that you shouldn't celebrate a minor milestone by an opposing player, but let's be realistic--Gonzo isn't your ordinary opposing player. The most indelible moment in DBacks history is his hit in the 2001 WS. I'm not suggesting that we go overboard, but a simple mention on the scoreboard wouldn't have hurt, and if people want to cheer for him, let them. Granted, he was a jerk when he left, and the team did the right thing in letting him go, but a simple acknowledgment of what is likely his final milestone and quite possibly his last big moment in front of an Arizona crowd wouldn't have been a bad idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's get this straight - `2,500 is only a milestone for people who don't have enough life in their legs to get to 3,000.

He's a DODGER. Screw any sort of fake Gonzo-loving scoreboard acknowledgement. Go do something and we'll take notice.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonzo got enough cheers that he tipped his cap. I was really surprised that they gave him a hit on that one so I wasn't ready for the cheers. I had to ask the guy next to me who said they gave him a hit on it.

I know it was posted here that Gonzo was on 2,499, but do you think whoever is in charge of special acknowledgments knew? I think 2,500 is a pretty big accomplishment, but it is not 3,000 or the sort of milestone that away teams have to acknowledge. I don't think it is petty for the Dbacks to fail to do so if they intentionally did not.

The CBS story makes mention of it. Also of them closing the roof after the storm had passed. Maybe the writer is a Padre fan.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B. O. N. D. wrote:
I was digging the way the crowd cheered when he popped out to Montero.


Same.... And I was pleased to see that he wasn't getting the big ovation each time he came to bat, and was hearing a more vocal set of boos. (Looks like TAP found some others to join in) Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The official scorer last night was quite generous to both teams.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Matt, you mentioned a Gonzo heckler got escorted from his seat. Any more detail about that? Was the guy out of line, or were the ushers being jerks? Or did someone just complain and the ushers were forced to respond?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoewizard wrote:
Gonzo doesn't play for the D Backs any more. You don't celebrate a hit he gets off of you unless it's a true milestone, which 2,500 isn't.


See Scott Hairston Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's not a Diamondback anymore. 2,500 is not a big thing, anyway. However, maybe the Dodgers could have stood at attention, given him a standing ovation, or gave him a high five. I think it was up to the Dodgers to honor him. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

foulpole wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
Gonzo doesn't play for the D Backs any more. You don't celebrate a hit he gets off of you unless it's a true milestone, which 2,500 isn't.


See Scott Hairston Wink


Apples & Oranges, and for the record I wouldn't be giving an ovation for his 2,500 hit either.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tmar wrote:
foulpole wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
Gonzo doesn't play for the D Backs any more. You don't celebrate a hit he gets off of you unless it's a true milestone, which 2,500 isn't.

See Scott Hairston Wink

Apples & Oranges, and for the record I wouldn't be giving an ovation for his 2,500 hit either.

fp baiting his hook with apples and oranges today.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Oranges and lemons" say the Bells of St. Clement's


Don't know why this popped into my head, but I feel a lot better letting it out. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stu wrote:
"Oranges and lemons" say the Bells of St. Clement's


Don't know why this popped into my head, but I feel a lot better letting it out. Thanks.


That poem always makes me think of Orwell's 1984... Shocked



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was sort of surprised that Gonzo didn't call for the ball on his cheap hit for #2,500. And was rooting for the next pitch to be a pop foul into the 3rd base seats.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorfo57 wrote:
I was sort of surprised that Gonzo didn't call for the ball on his cheap hit for #2,500. And was rooting for the next pitch to be a pop foul into the 3rd base seats.


They threw the ball back into the dugout, so he did get to keep it.

I thought it should have been a hit. The ball took a really weird hop right before it got to Clark. It looked to me like an appropriate bad-hop single.

I think it is a good thing there was no official announcement. The stupid fans would probably have gone into a three minute standing ovation for him, and that is not the message to send to the current team a week before the playoffs. Enough people cheered at least politely for the 2500th hit that Gonzo should have felt sufficient love.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The AZ feed on MLBTV showed Wickman holding the ball, and one of the 2 in the booth stated "There is the ball...". Then following a pitch in the dirt, they zoomed in on the umpire putting that ball into his pouch.

Guess I went with the bad information.

Thanks Hank.

No argument on the scorer's decision. But a bad hop single? That's a cheap hit IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorfo57 wrote:
No argument on the scorer's decision.


I thought it should have been scored an error -- and not because it was Gonzo or because it was Clark -- but because I thought it was an error.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:
tmar wrote:
foulpole wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
Gonzo doesn't play for the D Backs any more. You don't celebrate a hit he gets off of you unless it's a true milestone, which 2,500 isn't.

See Scott Hairston Wink

Apples & Oranges, and for the record I wouldn't be giving an ovation for his 2,500 hit either.

fp baiting his hook with apples and oranges today.



Well, you know that Foulpole.....he sure is a "Master Baiter" Razz

(I can't take credit for that line.....someone else told me that...but it just fit so well here, I couldn't resist)

Oh...by the way ....nobody is celebrating Hairston's hits and homers to win games for San Diego...we are lamenting them....hence the Apples and Oranges reference from TAP. I figured I had to spell it out for you as your are clearly too obtuse to get the reference.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoewizard wrote:

Well, you know that Foulpole.....he sure is a "Master Baiter" Razz


And he can accomplish that on the keyboard ... one handed!
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