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Robert S. · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 2897

Analysis from MLB Trade Rumors.

If anything, I'd say that this overview, while quite positive, still underrates what Byrnes has done, particularly since it doesn't factor in payroll considerations. Looking over the deals, it's hard not to notice the fact that the moves tend to make sense in organizational terms larger than just "winning" an isolated transaction. Perhaps the most interesting thing is how often Byrnes has traded for a veteran coming off a down year due to injury as of late. (Could this be the latest and greatest Market Inefficiency™?)

dbacks08 · AAA Stud Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 50

Not sure I agree Byrnes loses that ATL trade. Especially considering what we got from Milwaukee in return for Estrada.

And he said CWS got a small victory by getting Alex Cintron. Yah, ok. Rolling Eyes

matt · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 3632

shoewizard · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:03 am Post subject:

baldmaga · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:52 am Post subject:

I'm in agreement with the blogger at the end. I think Byrnes goes out and gets the #4 hitter this team could use, but it'll be interesting to see if he sells the farm.

Considering his past trades, I doubt he will.

B. O. N. D. · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:15 am Post subject:

Well, if ARI is "in the thick of things" come July, why would they need to go out and get a big bat? Confused

Out of curiosity though, what team come July will be out of it enough to trade away their killer bat? And who would that be bat be? And where would ARI put him? And who would ARI give up?

The OF is stocked/stacked, as is the middle infield... that leaves the corner infield, Tracy and Jackson. Sooooo...

I think the abilities of our whole line-up to hit, to get on base, top to bottom, mitigates any need for that "big bat". And it's not like we're lacking power...
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shoewizard · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:37 am Post subject:

I keep saying the same thing.

You don't need a "#4 hitter"

The 98 Yankees didn't have one guy who hit over 30 homers, but had like 7 or 8 who hit between 18-28 homers. This team can do the same thing...(homer wise...not winning 114 games of course)

matt · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 3632

It's the same junk we here everywhere. "There isn't a player that strikes fear into opposing pitchers"

It's BS.

Robert S. · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 2897

If Arizona's in the thick of the playoff hunt come July (say 3 games), I think they're going to get there. This team will be better in the second half.

qudjy1 · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 4275

Who is a 4 hitter that would be available, much less that is worth giving up young talent for?

I was thinking rolen, because he could maybe be gotten for less talent - (seems to be in decline, wasnt happy last year, big paycheck)... But is that even a help to this club?

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shoewizard · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:24 am Post subject:

whatuwant · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:31 am Post subject:

SalMaglie · A-Ball Kid Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 18

Well they left out one factor on the Javier Vazquez deal. The Diamondbacks HAD to trade Vazquez since he demanded a trade under the terms of his contract, which diminished his trade value. The fact that Byrnes pried Chris Young away from the White Sox was a steal.

You just can't go down the line and not factor in payroll implications anymore when talking about trades in this day and age. That aspect has changed the way players are valued in the last few years.

I thought maybe letting Oscar Villarreal go in that trade might come back to bite them, but then I've always been a fan of his since I saw him pitch a couple of innings in an Sidewinders emergency callup when he was 18 and pitching in the Arizona Rookie League. Brenly absolutely abused him in 2003 by putting him in for close to 90 games, and it's taken awhile for his arm to recover. It's good to see the damage didn't end his career.

dbacks08 · AAA Stud Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 50

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If memory serves me, the last two big bats the Dbacks acquired were Sexson and Glaus. With a track record like that, I hope they stand pat.

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dirtygary · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject:

I don't see any obvious positions in need of an upgrade. They're all kinda set. LF seems like the only position with flexibility, and that will be set after this year. Maybe we could get a decent deal for a 1-yr rental before CarGon is ready.
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tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 2335

Glaus worked out pretty good in that we were able to trade him the next year for Batista and ODog.

I'd say a definite net gain on that acquisition <even though it wasn't via trade>.

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Counsell · Journeyman Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 434

The need to have big homer hitting #4 hitter is a total myth. People remember Greenberg, Kiner, Killebrew, etc. If your #4 hitter is one of those guys, then, of course, you're in GREAT shape!

But usually they're more like Dave Kingman or Rob Deer, and their home runs don't compensate for their poor speed, poor fielding and/or many strikeouts.

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whatuwant · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject:

i love Manny...we share first names....but i don't like being called manny

his career .300/.400/.600 is kind of impressive too

dirtygary · Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject:

Agreed. There might not be obvious points of strength in our lineup, but there are no points of weakness. Pretty much eliminates any positions where we could gain a serious net upgrade.
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