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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:57 am Post subject:
tmar wrote:
One other option that could bode well for 2008 would be to sign Batista to a 2-year, front loaded deal and then if we aren't in contention by the trade deadline, trade him for some 08 talent. Maybe 2yr/9MM with 5.5MM yr1 and 3.5MM yr2.
Batista thoughts from today's AZ Republic...
"He's a free agent, but if it were up to me, I'd love to have him back," manager Bob Melvin said.
"I don't make the choices, but I'd like to see him here because he's a quality pitcher," teammate Livan Hernandez said. "He can pitch a game for you today and be ready to pitch again tomorrow if you need him. It's difficult to find a pitcher like that."
"I believe if they were interested in keeping me and bringing me back, they would have come to me a long time ago," said Batista.
"They haven't come to me, and I don't know if they will."
"I've always liked it here," Batista said. "I still have a house here and I still do community service here. But for me, this is a business and I provide a service. Wherever I go, I have to go for my benefit."
"He's a guy with value, if you ask me," Hernandez said. "We need him."
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But Hernandez doesn't pay the bills. On a side note, it seems that I've seen more player players using the media this year to discuss their contract preferences than I've noticed in the past. Estrada and Byrnes telling the press they wouldn't mind playing for the Giants are two other examples that pop to mind.
Batista has always been a class act. I'm thinking his comments are more about being disappointed that we are going to let him go for a second time, even though both times he pitched well for us before he left.
On the other hand, I'd rather have Padilla <or a similar quality pitcher> for 3 years and use the two EGonz's to fill out the rotation. I'd love to have Batista in the BP next year if he'd stay for 3.5MM, but he should make good $$ next year in this market, and I hope he does.
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:39 am Post subject:
I read that article last night, and it read to me like "show me the money".
I think that he could command as much as 3 years 15 million, which is crazy of course, considering his age and performance. The DBacks will not pay him that much or sign him for that long, and he is a smart guy and is aware of that, so it read to me somewhat he somewhat wistfully acknowledging he is unlikely to be back next year.
At least I hope that this time around AZ offers him arbitration...
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Well, shoewiz, that is all hearsay right now. Of course, if the team WON'T get draft picks, then it's worth reconsidering. But I haven't seen anything definitive about it...
Not that I mind if they eliminate the rule that teams need to get draft picks for players they offer arbitration...
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My recollection is that the negotiators agreed to eliminating the compensation for losing arb players the last cba negotiations, but they could not agree on the language to use so they just ignored it. I think this is why most people this compensations is going to be eliminated.
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:31 am Post subject:
levski wrote:
Well, shoewiz, that is all hearsay right now. Of course, if the team WON'T get draft picks, then it's worth reconsidering. But I haven't seen anything definitive about it...
Not that I mind if they eliminate the rule that teams need to get draft picks for players they offer arbitration...
I read a second article indicating it was far beyond the "hearsay" stage. However I can't find it right now. You could be right though.
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:36 am Post subject:
This from Maury Brown's blog, and his sources should be pretty solid
Quote:
Rumblings: Clubs Notified that Draft Pick Compensation to be Dropped in Upcoming CBA
28th August 2006
Ken Davidoff of Newsday reported just over a week ago that teams may no longer receive draft picks as compensation for free agents who leave as part of the upcoming CBA.
Now comes word through sources that all the clubs have been notified that this indeed will be the case as both the Players Association and MLB have come to terms on the matter.
This would explain, in part, why Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee have been on the trading block. Both the Nationals and Rangers have been hot to try and get something for these two players before free agency forces both clubs to possibly walk away without anything for these two top players that were not dealt at the trading deadline.
Stay tuned.
Let's assume first off that Josh trades Estrada for sure and doesn't keep Clark, Easley, Gonzo and Counsell.
As has been said, Eric Byrnes' trade value is high now because of his somewhat surprising performance this year. Also in the OF mix, though, is Davanon, who proved to be very capable out there. If the team goes for the three rookie starter approach, which of these two would be best to keep?
I think Davanon has a player option??? so, if he exercises it, do we keep Byrnes as well? If, however, Gonzo stays and Davanon stays, do we keep Byrnes over Hairston, Young and/or Quentin? I'd say its time to trade Byrnes.
On the IF, assuming Tracy, Drew, Hudson and Jackson are the starters, who already owned by the D'backs should be utility? Callaspo? Andy Green? Or re-sign Counsell? Trade for somebody? Personally, I'd go with Callaspo, he being young with lots of upside and cheap.
Assuming then an OF of rookies (Hairston, Young, Quentin), plus the expected infield setup (Tracy, Drew, Hudson, Jackson) and a catching platoon of Snyder/Montero, this accounts for 9 players. Add Davanon and Callaspo, making 11. Two more players are needed and the more versatile the better.
One of them might well be Robby Hammock. He's played both corner OF spots, 3B, and I'm sure could sub at 1B reasonably well, too. The big plus is that he'd be the third catcher, and with his ability to be plugged in lots of places, he'd give Melvin a wider range of possibilities than would exist if a player like E. Byrnes is retained.
The last one could be Andy Green as he, too, can be plugged into both the OF and the IF. Or, sign or trade for someone with more power and experience, preferrably an OF because we seem to have more good IFs in the minors than OFs if the injury bug strikes.
This roster would be very highly versatile.
Jackson, Snyder and Montero, and maybe Hudson, are probably the only players who could not be expected to play anywhere else in an emergency.
Drew could play SS, 3B and probably 2B
Tracy could play 3B, 1B and corner OF.
Hairston could play corner OF and 2B.
Young, Quentin and Davanon could play all 3 OF spots.
Callaspo could play 3 IF spots and maybe LF.
Andy Green could play 3 IF spots and LF.
Hammock could play 3B, corner OF, probably 1B, and most importantly, catch. This would be an exceptionally versatile roster.
We really have not much need of going outside the organization at all to flesh out this part of the roster, IMO. With limited prospects of signing top notch pitchers in this offseason, I'd say let these youngsters play and gain experience for 2008 while Josh tries to assemble the best pitching staff possible without trading away the future and then go for more top grade pitching after the 2007 season when the options should be much better.
I'm not adamant that we try to be a top 5 or 6 team in the majors next year, so long as an intelligent plan is followed, especially with development of our own in-org talent, and so long as the team plays decent ball. That last depends a lot upon the manager demanding more in the way of excellence and providing good teaching than was apparent this year.
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:53 am Post subject:
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On the IF, assuming Tracy, Drew, Hudson and Jackson are the starters, who already owned by the D'backs should be utility?...re-sign Counsell?
You can eliminate that option.
Nick Piecoro on September 6 wrote:
"I don't think there's a fit here for me next year," Counsell said. "They've got three guys on the infield that are going to play every day. I guess I don't see the at-bats."
Counsell was referring to second baseman Orlando Hudson, third baseman Chad Tracy and shortstop Stephen Drew, the positions at which Counsell has primarily played throughout his career.
Counsell, 36, would like to find a job playing every day, either at second base or shortstop. He has shown in the past few seasons that he can handle both positions defensively, and he says it doesn't matter which one he's at, just so long as he can play regularly.
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject:
is montero really ready for the show full time? wouldn't he be better served gettting regular ABs in AAA? the kid's had less than 100 ABs in tucson, hasn't he? and it really seems to have f'd snyder in the a to skip AAA -- i'd hate to do that to another kid so soon, you know?
i know we hate vets ( ) but what about letting snyder play in AAA and getting a 1 yr stopgap vet catcher who can hit RHP to compliment snyder?
(this post has been entirely questions, hasn't it?)
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i know we hate vets ( ) but what about letting snyder play in AAA and getting a 1 yr stopgap vet catcher who can hit RHP to compliment snyder?
Yes, we certainly need a veteran catcher who can hit AAA pitching. But where would we find a guy like that?!
If you want a veteran stopgap, maybe you can acquire this Estrada guy...
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject:
whoops. that should have read "letting MONTERO play in AAA for a year."
i'd sell on estrada, and give snyder the bulk of the time behind the plate. but i'm just wary of bringing up another catcher who didn't get much or any time in AAA. is it worth the potential risk to montero, doing that? or could we just get a scrap heap catcher who can hit a little bit of RHP and pair him with snyder when snyder needs to rest? then montero gets to have more development time.
i mean, if you guys think montero's ready, i'll listen to why. he certainly seems ready defensively, but is he ready for the offensive pressure of playing in the majors right now? if he is, great, start him. but the last time the team did something like this, it got ugly.
why do you guys think montero's ready for the job?
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I'd actually love to trade Byrnes for Jason Jennings. A work horse, getting a bit expensive for the Rocks maybe but the Dbacks should have the payroll to absorb him and keep him. Imho, Jennings is probably one of the top three most underrated starters in the game right now
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject:
levski wrote:
shoewizard wrote:
Jeff Francis....done deal
not fair, you're stealing my ideas...
I'd actually love to trade Byrnes for Jason Jennings. A work horse, getting a bit expensive for the Rocks maybe but the Dbacks should have the payroll to absorb him and keep him. Imho, Jennings is probably one of the top three most underrated starters in the game right now
Well, Francis is younger, cheaper, and left handed, which is exactly why he won't be available of course...but as long as we are pulling wild speculation out of our asses, I thought I would go for the gusto.
There is a 6.1 million mutual option on Jennings for 07, with a 100K buyout. How would it work if he were traded? He will be a FA after 2007, so he would be a one year guy.
Francis is not a FA until after the 2010 season...so he would be the guy to get...but the Rockies can't possibly be that stupid.
Francis has been absolutely hammered in his last 4 starts though, so need to keep an eye on his health.
Well, Francis is younger, cheaper, and left handed, which is exactly why he won't be available of course...but as long as we are pulling wild speculation out of our asses, I thought I would go for the gusto.
There is a 6.1 million mutual option on Jennings for 07, with a 100K buyout. How would it work if he were traded? He will be a FA after 2007, so he would be a one year guy.
Francis is not a FA until after the 2010 season...so he would be the guy to get...but the Rockies can't possibly be that stupid.
Francis has been absolutely hammered in his last 4 starts though, so need to keep an eye on his health.
Well, shoewiz, you are correct that Francis won't be available because he's young and cheap and good. For next year tho, I'd take one year of Jennings at 6M over 1 year of Byrnes at 4M. Any day and twice on Sunday. In fact, I'd try to work out a favorable contract extension with Jennings through 2009; Webb and Jennings would be two excellent workhorses in the rotation, and will help the youngsters as they're coming up...
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