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TAP
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: Bonds says Giants can trade him if they want |
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The Giants have not been sellers at the July 31 trade deadline during Brian Sabean’s decade-long tenure, but with the club 10 games out and firmly in last place, the general manager conceded that he could be forced into that mode.
Sabean wouldn’t dismiss that possibility either.
“I don’t know if there is (a chance), because of all the factors involved,” Sabean said. “And it wouldn’t be my decision unilaterally. So it’s a complicated question and it’s not a simple answer.”
“They can trade me,” Bonds said. “They can do that. I don’t think they will, though. It’s not like I want to be traded, man. I’m a Giant. I’m stuck here till the end.”
The Giants were swept in three games at Fenway after a 9-5 loss. Their 10-game deficit is their largest on this date since they were 13 out in 1991.
“I think if you’re honest with people and they understand what the landscape is, they’ll be accepting,” Sabean said. “I’m confident in that. Our fans are very loyal. To buy their tickets and get their seat licenses, they’re making long-term commitments --some of them for seven years.”
Sabean said it’s up to the players to turn things around before mid-July and prevent the roster from becoming a junkyard for scavengers.
But whether a buyer or seller, Sabean said he won’t give up young pitching.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Bonds would get booed in church, he already gets it in any park but SF. Seriously, what team would want him and all the baggage. Yankees? |
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moviegeekjn
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Bonds says Giants can trade him if they want |
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TAP wrote: |
Sabean said it’s up to the players to turn things around before mid-July and prevent the roster from becoming a junkyard for scavengers. |
"Prevent"?
Giants roster is already a junkyard full of old used up parts.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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I’m a Giant. I’m stuck here till the end.” |
Barry seems to have a good grasp on his situation. As XB3 said, there is NOWHERE for Bonds to go.
He'll break the record, and then the Giants will probably beg him to take a DL assignment. Maybe they can collect some insurance or something. Then empty the minors of players, stick them up here, and find out what they have for next year.
There really is little else they can do.....if they are smart.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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He could go to Oakland and that's it. He could get some(maybe) support there.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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shoewizard wrote: |
He'll break the record, and then the Giants will probably beg him to take a DL assignment. Maybe they can collect some insurance or something. Then empty the minors of players, stick them up here, and find out what they have for next year.
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I can't see the Giants trading Barry, if for no other reason than attendance figures. The only reason to go to a Giants game now is to see Barry hit home runs. Trade Barry, and the Giants' attendance would plummet. Shoe's idea is the smart one, but this isn't first and foremost a baseball decision--it's a business decision. And the FO of the Giants has shown a propensity for making business decisions over baseball decisions for years now, which is precisely why they're in last place and falling fast.
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tmar
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If they could trade him even as a salary dump they'd make up the difference in lost attendance.
My guess is there'd be a few teams willing to take on his salary and baggage for a playoff run if they feel he'd be a difference maker. |
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matt
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It would be different if he was healthy enough to play everyday. |
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TAP
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Bruce Jenkins / SF Chronicle this weekend wrote: |
This may sound crazy, but I'm saying the Giants would have a better record right now if they hadn't re-signed Bonds. Not first-place better, but a better winning percentage, and I'll guarantee you some of the players in the clubhouse feel the same way. Why? Because it would be about a team, not a home-run record. About the hint of change, not the same one-act play. Bonds' at-bats remain magical, no doubt about that, and it might be decades before we see another hitter so compelling -- but the burden of his presence makes the rest of the players wonder if they even matter. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Duh. 
I mean we talk about this every night up here.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: |
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B. O. N. D. wrote: |
Duh. 
I mean we talk about this every night up here. |
Would that be because there's not a whole lot of other stuff to talk about (success-wise) when the Diamondbacks aren't in town?
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Lol... There's just some die-hard Bonds apologists up here. They love their Giants, but can't seem to fathom why their team sucks it so much. So, it usually comes down to the discussion that TAP quoted... along with arguments on farm systems and syphoning of resources, etc. And they still don't get it. 
And it's hard to make any point when the Gnats own your team every time they show up here. 
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: Bonds takes hitting woes on road |
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It can now be called a full-blown slump, which is not the best position for Barry Bonds to be in with his Giants facing 45 games in the next 45 days, during the heat of summer.
"I don't know how much I'm going to play, brother," Bonds said before the Giants were swept in a three-game series by the Dodgers, losing, 5-3, on Sunday at AT&T Park. "But I know one thing: I'm going to need my rest."
Slugger in 0-for-20 slump, hasn't homered since July 3 |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: Aaron vs. Bonds: In the eyes of peers |
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Aaron vs. Bonds: In the eyes of peers:
Only a handful of players remain working in the Major Leagues who were active on April 8, 1974, when Aaron passed Babe Ruth into first place on the all-time home run list at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. Only two were on the field that day when Aaron hit his homer against Dodgers left-hander Al Downing: Dusty Baker and Davey Lopes. And only two played on the Braves with Aaron and later managed the Giants with Bonds in the lineup: Baker and Felipe Alou.
Who better to seek for opinions on that comparison than some of the guys who played with or against Aaron and managed with or against Bonds? MLB.com tracked down and interviewed Baker, Alou, Lopes, Frank Robinson, Larry Bowa and Joe Torre.
Player and manager contemporaries compare sluggers |
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Dusty Baker: Barry probably had more speed. But I didn't see Hank when he was young, either. Hank stole bases when you really needed them. |
Dusty played with Hank during his latter years (I saw a number of games those years at Fulton County Stadium when the Braves really sucked but they had a lot of offensive power). Even then, Hank was deceptively faster than he looked... and when younger that was even more pronounced. He often looked like he was gliding along, but he was really very fast... because his stride was significantly longer than the average player.
Not sure who would've won a foot race between the young Barry and the young Hank... but I KNOW that old Hank would easily out run old Barry.
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