Diamondbacks Bullpen

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

Even with 19MM if we spent 7MM on Padilla we'd have 12MM + prospects/trades left to fill out the rotation & BP.

I totally agree with the concept of building for more than next year and Padilla would be a good start <for a 3 yr deal>.

matt · Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:36 am Post subject:

TAP · Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject:

FOULPOLE
You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

We could use the same crew that got Dennis Leary.

foulpole · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1358

foulpole · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1358

Back to the topic at hand. There has been a lot of discussion regarding trading Byrnes. I don't think we have control on him.

I thought that we signed him to a 1 year with no options etc.

Do I have this wrong???

JoshByrnesWhenIPee · Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject:

link

It's a one-year contract with Byrnes.

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

I'm told that Byrnes doesn't have the service time to become a free agent so he'll be under AZ's control regardless of what his initial contact with the team was...

matt · Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject:

We've been over this numerous times. The fact that he signed a one year deal as a free agent has nothing to do with things.

dirtygary · Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:59 am Post subject:

Would the commissioner's office object to a trade in which we sent a few players - byrnes, estrada, hudson - to another club, but we agreed to pick up every bit of salary? I'm saying this because the kind of player we want is a younger guy that is productive and cheap, but the club he's on might not want to lose that. But say we approached FLA and said we want Cabrera, and we'll give you Byrnes and Estrada for free, would that form of a trade pass the commissioner's smell test?

I'm just putting that out there as a creative way to maybe get players without giving up our prospects. The thinking being that if we have the $ to spend, but there isn't anything in the FA class that we want to spend it on, then maybe we could spend it that way. Another ex. might be Cle, and how to get Westbrook. They might like to have some free players that produce.
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qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

Shoe, Did the Byrnes chat yesterday cause any of this to change in your mind?

For example, would we be less likely to trade estrada or another higher priced guy to free up $, since there is almost no chance of going after schmidt, zito, etc...

dirtygary · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject:

I'm curious as to what extent Byrnes goes with the youth movement this off-season. I really could see it going either way, and I'm cool with either, also. We could keep Byrnes, Davanon, Hudson, and Estrada, fill in the rest with our own, and still be a pretty solid team with a chance at the division. Or we could unload all payroll, and start over. Get the newbies a year in '07, and have all the $ to make a serious runs from '08-'10.
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moviegeekjn · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject:

Well....there is going to be alot of money available if they don't use any on free agent pitching, which would make it more likely that they keep most or all of the arby guys and up their salary.

Even though Montero is doing well at AAA, and will most likley get a callup, it still seems kinda fast to stick him in the majors full time next year, even in a backup role.

But there are all the other factors with Estrada too....so I still think there is at least a 50% chance he is dealt for pitching. Catchers that hit and play decent defense can get you quite a bit in the trade market. He really is an attractive trade Chit. Look what Minnesota got for AJ Pierzynski.

matt · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject:

that was tongue in cheek.

dirtygary · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject:

Thank god Minnesota got that guy. Can you imagine if we were looking at Francisco Liriano for the next 5 years?

Yeah, Estrada has to be moved. It is a bit too fast for Montero to be up next year, but pencil him in there for '08. Figure if we gave up two avg relievers for Estrada last year, we should get way more back than that. Which might let us let a few of the higher arb guys walk.
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tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

Hopefully he can add come-back player of the year to his resume. I say sell high on Estrada.

Oden · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject:

You have to look at this team and decide who the trade-able commodities are. Estrada is absolutely one of them. If they're going to trade for a pitcher or two, they won't get much for the Hairston's of the org. They'll have to give up guys who other teams think have value. That's Estrada, Byrnes, Tracy, etc.

moviegeekjn · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: