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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:02 am Post subject:
As usual, check my facts, , but for a most of the year, they played without Hardy, and Hall is a left fielder. The whole team had no defensive range, for most of the year. Der lies in this instance. Pitching was probably a lot better than gets credit. Turnbow was awful too right? Offense everytime I watched Cappy pitch didn't score either it seemed.
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The general theory is that Davis, because he's a bit of a soft tosser, has to pitch to spots and rely on his defense more than some other pitchers might. Last year there was some talk that he was affraid to throw strikes because he wasn't totally confident in the defense behind him. Particularly early in the season, he seemed a lot more tentative in his approach to pitching.
How does defense explain Davis' increase in walks and decrease in k's?
Maybe like Webb of 2004 where he was pitching away from contact. That season Webb had 119 BBs in 208 IP, 177 BBs in 644.2 IP in his other 3 years in the majors.
I found a post-trade article (11/28/06) that basically assumes the same comparison is accurate:
"Throwing strikes is something that Davis did throughout his career before last season, when his walk total rose to a career-high 102. Some scouts attributed the increase in walks to poor defense behind him, which caused him to try to pitch away from contact. It's similar to what happened to Brandon Webb in 2004, when his walk total rose as the team struggled defensively."
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:24 am Post subject:
stu wrote:
How does defense explain Davis' increase in walks and decrease in k's?
He wasn't pitching on get away day enough.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject:
Nice deal for the Dbacks. Hopefully last year was a fluke, and he rebounds and posts some solid numbers this year. From personal observation the brew crew's defense was pretty awful, even though all the metrics I've seen show them as middle of the pack.
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I was always sort of skeptical of defense as cause of Webb's control problems in 2004. It looked to me like he lacked command of his fastball and sinker that year, but I don't know. I do remember Webb giving Clayton credit for his improvement on control because of Clayton's ability in the field. I suppose it could be a reason and I hope it is.
Price seems to stress throwing strikes more than his predecessors. I remember Brenley didn't even know the walk stats for his pitchers. Of course when you have Schilling and RJ going 40% of the time stats become much less important.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject:
I was very happy to see this deal go through. Davis is someone who i really think could benefit from our solid defense behind him. nice to see him locked up for the next few years.
I was very happy to see this deal go through. Davis is someone who i really think could benefit from our solid defense behind him. nice to see him locked up for the next few years.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject:
i'm referring to our defense this year of Drew, Hudson, Young, Byrnes, and Quentin. i thought that was implied, i feel we are very strong defensively, and have no reason to doubt so.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject:
Again, I bring these stats back because it's amazing what's in a name. These are cumulative stats over the past three seasons for two blind pitchers. The only difference is the number on the check they get every two weeks.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject:
baldmaga wrote:
Again, I bring these stats back because it's amazing what's in a name. These are cumulative stats over the past three seasons for two blind pitchers. The only difference is the number on the check they get every two weeks.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject:
Also take into account Davis was a Brewer, and Zito was an A...both teams with differing successes. But shoe hits the nail on the head, he's slightly better, but luckily his agent didn't quite have the same luck Boras did.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:40 am Post subject:
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baldmaga wrote:
Again, I bring these stats back because it's amazing what's in a name. These are cumulative stats over the past three seasons for two blind pitchers. The only difference is the number on the check they get every two weeks.
[quote="stu"]I wish I knew why Davis pitched so poorly last year. I know his walks went up and his k's went down, but why? Was he hurt? Just a flukeish type year. James ERC has him about .5 runs lower in that than era.
He had the same problem Webb did when he struggled. The Brewers defense was god awful last year, especially late in the year. Davis was pitching away form contact liek Webb did, the year his walks balooned. This lead to walks and we know how that eventually burns a pitcher.
I see Davis having a very solid year with the defense he has behind him/
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, but for a most of the year, they played without Hardy, and Hall is a left fielder. The whole team had no defensive range, for most of the year. Der lies in this instance. Pitching was probably a lot better than gets credit. Turnbow was awful too right? Offense everytime I watched Cappy pitch didn't score either it seemed.
