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NJ-DBACKS-FAN
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| levski wrote: |
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| I wouldnt trade one young guy for him, esp if they arent picking up most of his salary... |
i would not trade one young guy for him even if they pick up half of his salary.......
after all he will be a FA next year and im sure he will come here anyway....
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LOL
You guys are funny. Not even one young guy? Regardless of who that young guy is?
And I think the Dbacks are trying to trade for him now for 2 reasons: 1, they need him in 2007; and 2, he'd be a lot cheaper now than after 07.
But myopia is a great sin of many a message board poster....
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ok....after reading the rest of your posts, you make some good points.... im willing to hear what young guys might you have in mind and you are willing to give?
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Bob A
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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I would have them pick one from each category:
A) Jorge Julio
Juan Cruz
Eric Brynes
B) Nippert
E. Gonzalez
E. Gonzalez
(no way I trade Owings or Olendorf)
C) Yankees pay at least half the salary
Yankees pay 3/4 of salary |
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qudjy1
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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At the end of the day, he will be 44 next year, and while he may end up all right next year, i still would rather see us keep young players who could be traded for better players down the road, than bring back a 44 year old who is making 16M, off of surgery, and a ERA of 5 (Periphs or not).
If we are talking about trading Byrnes or Julio or a prospect in AA, fine, but i wouldnt be trading one of our pitching prospects (they can be used for trading for a pitcher with a future next year, or at the break.
Just my opinion... |
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TAP
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff Moorad added his thoughts this afternoon:
| Ronald Blum / The Associated Press tonight wrote: |
NEW YORK (AP) — If the New York Yankees are serious about trading Randy Johnson, the Arizona Diamondbacks would love to have him back. Arizona confirmed its talks with New York about the Big Unit, who won four Cy Young Awards with the Diamondbacks from 1999-2004, but thus far the Yankees' asking price has been too high.
"There's no activity at this point," Diamondbacks general partner Jeff Moorad said Tuesday. "The Diamondbacks as an organization have a tremendous amount of respect for Randy, yet also recognize he's under contract to the Yankees. If there's ever an opportunity that made sense to reacquire him, we'd be at the head of the line."
The San Diego Padres and San Francisco Giants also have talked with New York about Johnson, a baseball official who had been briefed on the talks said, speaking on condition of anonymity because no deal had been agreed to.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman declined comment on Johnson, and Padres GM Kevin Towers didn't return messages seeking comment. |
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matt
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't have anything against getting RJ back but saying 'we need a veteran in the rotation' is a load of crap. We have 2 veterans (Livan, Davis) and the frackin 2006 Cy Young Award winner. |
technically, we need a pitcher who's better than livan and davis. if that pitcher happened to be a veteran, so be it...
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I totally agree.
I don't see why we need the Yanks to pick up so much in salary. They only need to pick up a little bit for him to be a good value.
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Tucson DBacks Fan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| The Yankees won't be posturing too much longer. They need to get this deal done soon. |
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Tucson DBacks Fan wrote: |
| The Yankees won't be posturing too much longer. They need to get this deal done soon. |
why do you think this? cause they need to clear the $ for zito?? that is what i thought earlier, cause if they get in that game the mets will be sooooooooooo upset cause you know the "boss" will pony up over the mets......
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Tucson DBacks Fan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like you and I are on the same page, New Jersey.  |
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Espo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with you guys. If they dumb RJ they are going to out bid everyone in the Zito sweepstakes and really screw up the mets plans for pitching. Plus they will raise the bar even higher for salaries of pitchers. |
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levski
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| NJ-DBACKS-FAN wrote: |
ok....after reading the rest of your posts, you make some good points.... im willing to hear what young guys might you have in mind and you are willing to give? |
I'm too lazy to write stuff up again... If you have the time, look through this thread on primer for my opinions
BTF Thread in Question
Just in case, my user name there is IksveL... aka Levski
I think I've summed up my thoughts on this possible trade pretty well
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Thanks, TAP.
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TAP
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Top sports headline in the Taipei (Taiwan) Times tonight?
Yanks may trade Randy Johnson
This story's gone international!  |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey Oden, STFU. :) |
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TAP
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey...unnecessary and unrelated post |
STOP.
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clpp01
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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According to Gambo the latest "discussion" is about RJ for 4 players
2 starters (Owings, Eveland, Ohlendorf)
1 position player (Bonifacio, Alberto Gonzalez)
and Brandon Medders |
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TAP
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Gambo was just on the Suns wrapup show and said that this is a 4-player deal. According to Gambo, the Yankees will choose from 2 starting pitchers from a pool of Owings, Eveland, and I didn't catch the 3rd as I ran into the room; 1 infielder from a pool of either Alberto Gonzalez or a single-A player that I didn't recognize with the initials A. B.; and Brandon Medders.
When asked if he thought this was a good deal for AZ, Gamorooni responded, "ABSOLUTELY NO!" His reason? RJ's ERA went up last year.  |
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Espo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I would much rather give up either or both of Edgar and Enrique over Owings, Olendorf and especially Eveland. I don't have a problem with the position players and Medders however. |
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levski
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If Gambo reports it, you can be absolutely certain that completely different players are involved.
My guess is the Dbacks front office is feeding him bullshit just for shits and giggles.
Cue: [Dbacks front office at Chase]
JB: Shhh, quiet, Gumbo's on TV
Gumbo: The Dbacks will trade for RJ and will give up Steve Nash and Kurt Warner!
JB and co: [giggle]
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TAP
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Not much out of the Yankees camp yet...
| Mark Feinsand / MLB.com tonight wrote: |
NEW YORK -- While the Diamondbacks have publicly acknowledged talks with the Yankees about a potential trade for Randy Johnson, the Yankees are staying quiet when it comes to the left-hander's future in New York.
Diamondbacks president Derrick Hall told MLB.com on Monday that the two sides have had discussions about Johnson, but Yankees general manager Brian Cashman did not return a phone call Tuesday and was unavailable for comment.
One baseball official with knowledge of the situation placed the odds at "65-35" that the Yankees would deal Johnson, who has won 17 games in each of his two seasons in New York.
The official, who was granted anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the talks, said that the Yankees would certainly be willing to part with the five-time Cy Young Award winner for the right package of players and/or prospects.
"If it makes sense, it will get done," said the official. "But it isn't something that has to get done."
On Monday, Hall said that Diamondbacks GM Josh Byrnes had held "significant talks" with the Yankees, but added that the two teams had not been able to put the right mix of players together to complete a deal.
Johnson has a full no-trade clause, but would likely be willing to waive it to return to Arizona. As of Tuesday, Johnson had not made an official trade demand to the Yankees.
The official said that the Padres have inquired about Johnson as well; reliever Scott Linebrink is believed to be the San Diego player that interests the Yankees the most. The Dodgers and Angels have also been mentioned in published reports as potential suitors, but it is unknown whether Cashman has spoken with either Los Angeles club.
Alan Nero, one of Johnson's agents, told the Associated Press on Monday that he spoke that day with Cashman, who informed him of preliminary discussions with several teams regarding the left-hander.
"As far we know, there's nothing going on significant enough for us to become a part of it," Nero said. "I think Brian is just doing his job."
The Yankees have Johnson penciled into a rotation with Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina, Andy Pettitte and either Kei Igawa or Carl Pavano. Should the Yankees deal Johnson, it would open a spot for the team to pursue Barry Zito, the top free agent remaining on the market.
The official said that the Yankees aren't likely to pay Zito the $100 million over six years that he is looking for, but if Zito and his agent, Scott Boras, offer them a discounted deal -- just as Boras client Carlos Beltran did two years ago before signing with the Mets -- the Yankees could have some interest.
The Yankees could also be looking to trade Johnson to open a spot in the rotation -- as well as some space on the payroll -- for Roger Clemens, who has yet to announce his plans for 2007. However, New York could pursue Clemens even if Johnson is still on the team.
"I would think Roger would be in the mix no matter who is in [the Yankees'] rotation," the official said.
Should the Yankees trade Johnson, they also have some internal candidates in the farm system who could battle for a rotation spot, including Humberto Sanchez, Jeff Karstens, Darrell Rasner and top prospect Philip Hughes.
Mark Feinsand is a reporter for MLB.com. Steve Gilbert contributed to this report. |
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TAP
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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The Diamondbacks remain in limbo while the New York Yankees consider their trade proposal for Randy Johnson.
But the D-backs appear to have one important factor on their side. If Johnson wants to return home to play, he knows that the D-backs want him.
And because of the veto power provided by his no-trade clause, Johnson can pick his destination — if the Yankees agree to deal him.
"It's now out in the open," D-backs general manager Josh Byrnes said Tuesday. "We're still waiting to learn the result."
If it gets that far, the D-backs would like a negotiating window with which to talk contract terms with Johnson. |
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Otacon
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Gambo on FSN: 4-player-package being offered
2 out of 3 from the following pitchers: Owings, Ohlendorf, and/or Eveland with the D-backs resisting at adding Owings.
1 out of the following infielders: Alberto Gonzalez or Emilio Bonifacio
Major league talent: Brandon Medders
Now, keep in mind this isn't the full story. Maybe the Yankees would also add cash and/or another player. That's just speculation on my part.
With that said, pull the fucking plug on this Joshua Byrnes. The Yanks still want more? Way too much to begin with and the Yanks still want more?
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: |
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hhmmmmmm
well I dont know about Owings, Ohlendorf...i like them, i never saw them, but from what i hear there are good things there.....
the rest I would not mind losing....
for those that have a better idea of Owings, Ohlendorf what do you guys think of losing 1 or both for RJ?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| The Yankees are really milking this trade. If it would be anyone other than Randy Johnson with his ties to the Diamondbacks, the Diamondbacks likely would have rejected this trade a long time ago. The Diamondbacks are getting more than just a good pitcher if they get Randy back, and his aquisition might help the team in public relations, gate, and other ways. Randy, of course, is important emotionally to the Diamondbacks. If the Diamondbacks get Randy from the Yankees, it might turn out to be a good move for them. But don't think for a minute that the Yankees won't do very well for themselves on the deal. The Yankees want young pitching prospects, and some of the young pitchers they could get from the Diamondbacks may become stars in MLB some day. I would prefer the Diamondbacks keep Eveland to find out what he can do. From what I have been reading about him, he looks to have a lot of potential. If he has to go to the Yankees, however, I suppose I can live with it. However. I trust the Diamondbacks aren't going to give away the farm to the Yankees. I am skeptical about some of the rumors out there. In particular, I take what Gambo says with a box of salt. Gambo's track record in predicting trades for the Diamondbacks is not very good. |
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| I take what Gambo says with a box of salt. Gambo's track record in predicting trades for the Diamondbacks is not very good. |
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tmar
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: |
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mlbtraderumors.com says there's a weak rumor that the Mariners could be in the RJ shuffle as well.
Doesn't match his "close to home" desires but he does have a lot of history there and would likely do much better in that park. FWIW |
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levski
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| Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Gambo on FSN: 4-player-package being offered
2 out of 3 from the following pitchers: Owings, Ohlendorf, and/or Eveland with the D-backs resisting at adding Owings.
1 out of the following infielders: Alberto Gonzalez or Emilio Bonifacio
Major league talent: Brandon Medders
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Offered by which team? That's something the Yankees would want, not something the Dbacks would give up.
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