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David B · Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject:

I think McCray has about nailed it on the head. It's one part PR ("hey, we tried to bring a franchise icon back, but it just didn't work out."), mixed with one part "Let's let the Padres, Dodgers and Giants think we're in this, and then have them up the ante."

Tucson DBacks Fan · MLB Rookie Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 208

I think the Diamondbacks want Randy and will complete a deal for him as long as the price doesn't get too high for them. I think the Yankees want to unload Randy fast and will make a trade with the Diamondbacks Josh will accept sooner rather than later. The news media usually hints a lot they don't want to tell us yet. The Diamondbacks are the team mentioned most prominently in this trade, and think there is good reason for it. Cool

TAP · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:23 am Post subject:

Otacon · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:02 am Post subject:

Funny, how over the course of 12 hours it went from "The D-backs are interested in re-acquiring Johnson" to "The D-backs offered 3 guys for Johnson" to "Well, he's probably headed to San Diego". Rolling Eyes

He either stays in New York, Arizona gets him in a fair-ish deal (Vizcaino, Enrique, and some dude? IDK), or Ned Colletti overtakes Josh Byrnes as DBBP's favorite GM by trading half of his farm system.
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B. O. N. D. · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:05 am Post subject:

The Big Unit better grow some balls and come back where he belongs: Arizona. He goes anywhere else in the west and I'll spit on his grave. Mad

Merry Christmas.
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shoewizard · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:20 am Post subject:

I think you just take Derek Halls statement at face value. By the time this news came out, the D Backs and Yankees had probably already been talking for quite a few days, and were not able to work anything out, because the Yankees want too much and Josh won't bend over.

With a player like RJ, and New York leaking information like a sieve, it's not smart to allow them to control all the information flow. If you remember, they did that last time.

So a statement of fact, " We have been talking but can't find a match" was the best thing here. I think the fact that they made a statement indicates that they are stepping away from the negotiating table and not expecting to proceed.

Personally, I would like to see one of the other NL West teams vastly overpay for RJ, both in terms of prospects and money, and the D Backs just stick with the damn plan and suck it up for 2007 with what they've got, and make EVERY move with an eye towards 2008.

EDIT: Obviously if the cost is not too great, and they get RJ back, the fanboy in me will be excited.

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1812

I just tried to read the Joseph Reaves column

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/columns/articles/1226dbacks1226.html

Is the guy drunk or high? WTF is he saying?

Sam/DMD · AAA Stud Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 61

Happy Holidays to everyone! I haven't visited here for quite some time. Glad to see all you old timers are alive and well and still kicking and talking baseball. You guys are indeed hard core baseball fans.

As for Randy Johnson, the news sure got me excited enough to spend a half hour digging out my user name and password to get back in this forum.

I would love to see him back. As much as I like the idea that our team is young and talented, we do need a bona fide big star like him back in the lineup.

Please, JB, please make a good enough deal so that we'll have Randy back. It'll be the best holiday present for the D-Backs fans.
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XB3 · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:48 am Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:53 am Post subject:

There is no definitive list for public consumption.

All we can do piece together whatever gets leaked in dribs and drabs in the papers.

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1812

First off, RJ spent six seasons in AZ. And does anyone else think the $40M is a bit high? Maybe not though... I remember reading at one point of time that RJ had loaned more money to the Dbacks than the money he'd received from them...

Tucson DBacks Fan · MLB Rookie Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 208

Cashman is playing the Western teams marvelously, and he is going to get a really good deal for Randy. He will not only unload his salary and go after Zito or Clemens, but he will get a lot of talent back to his team in the process. I will be in JB's camp if the price for Randy gets unreasonable and Randy ends up going to another team than the Diamondbacks. If Randy goes to another NL West team, I would like to see that team pay out of the nose for Randy. If a team isn't careful, it could get caught up in a spirited auction with its league rivals and end up giving up a lot more in value for Randy than it gets in return.

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:27 am Post subject:

According to Baseball Reference, during his 6 years with the D Backs, Randy was Scheduled to earn 80,750,000

Assuming they did not start deferring his salary until at least after 2000, than the figure of 40,000,000 would indeed represent well over half of what he was owed at the time.

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:29 am Post subject:

Tucson DBacks Fan · MLB Rookie Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 208

Reeves is nuts if he thinks Arizona should go after Randy at all costs. There are still other options out there. Reeves is free to voice his opinion, however, on how other people should throw away a lot of money. Very Happy

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:34 am Post subject:

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1812

diamondbacker · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:55 am Post subject:

RJ isn't going to accept a trade to other west teams if he knows he has a chance to go home to the D-backs. We might be able to lowball Cashman if he's desperate to get a deal done - Julio, Vizcaino, Nippert, maybe? Or is that too much

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:15 am Post subject:

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1164

I wouldnt trade one young guy for him, esp if they arent picking up most of his salary...

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:35 am Post subject:

TAP · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:43 am Post subject:

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:45 am Post subject:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708203

{In the past week the Arizona Diamondbacks have offered a package of players to the New York Yankees in exchange for Randy Johnson, a baseball official said.

In need of starting pitching -- and a marquee name that will draw more fans -- the Diamondbacks have offered a package of at least three players, including a major-leaguer. They would also want a 72-hour window to negotiate an extension with Johnson, who is owed $16 million in the final year of his contract. The Yankees, according to the official, don't want to pick up any of Johnson's salary.}

holy shit!!!! this is out of control....not only they yapping about a shit deal with 3 players but and extension??????? Shocked

43 bad back, bad knee and talk of an extension how long???...no way....i like a one year deal next year (sign in winter of 2007 as a FA) so he can get his 300th here, but not a day longer than 1 year for 2008....this extension talk makes me even makes me flush this trade idea even more....

josh has not shown a soft side for players that the community would like (LG20 and CC4) back or stay longer....but RJ51 is someone that "might" sell more seats, so the front office might like it, but as it was pointed out before he did not sell extra seats 2 years ago he would be less to do now.....

NO TRADE....MAYBE SIGN AS A FA IN WINTER OF 2007 FOR ONE YEAR....IF NOT............SMELL YOU LATER RJ
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:47 am Post subject:

TAP · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: