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xjwheelr
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: Where should Drew bat? |
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I know this has been addressed previously in a few different forms, but I still feel like everytime I think about my ideal lineup for next year, Stephen Drew is the hardest one to place. I think he would be a very good leadoff hitter, and probably better than any other option at leadoff right now. But it seems like such a waste with his power potential and ability to drive in runs (I loved watching him clear the bases with triples and doubles last year). From what I've heard though, especially with Byrnes supposedly batting cleanup *barf*, Young might be the frontrunner at this point for leadoff. I also think Young should play further down in the order, for the same reasons as Drew.
In light of the recent Orlando Hudson poll, if the concensus is that he will likely be a better hitter next year (if only slightly better), why not consider him for leadoff? I know a lot of people here are against the idea, but why not, if he can get on base with consistency? It would free up spots further down in the order for Drew and Young (not that Melvin would bat Drew leadoff anyway).
I see Stephen Drew as an ideal 3 or 5 hitter, and I'd like to see him in an RBI spot if possible. But for the time being, is he our best option? |
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shoewizard
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Baseball Prospectus has a stat based on RBI Opportunites that simply tabulates the percentage of runners on base that a player drove in.
They call it OBI%, or "Others Batted In" (THe totals don't include the RBI you get for driving yourself in with a homerun)
This is a better stat than Batting Avg W/ RISP
DBacks with minimum 150 Plate Appearances in 2006.
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Davanon .20134
Estrada .18293
Snyder .17333
Quentin .16912
Jackson .16368
Byrnes .15588
Tracy .15544
Easley .14615
Hudson .14208
Gonzalez.13744
Counsell.1333
S Green .12862
Drew .11921 |
Of course the sample size is small, Drew only had 220 plate appearances. But I don't think we should be looking at him as a big RBI guy at this point.
My guess is against righties, Melvin will try Hudson @ leadoff, and Drew 2nd. On the Days that Jeff Davanon plays in left over Eric Brynes,(mostly against righties}, he might hit leadoff. Melvin was trying that at the time Davanon got hurt.
Against lefties, Drew will hit further down the lineup,
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nystro
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Davanon .20134
Estrada .18293
Snyder .17333
Quentin .16912
Jackson .16368
Byrnes .15588
Tracy .15544
Easley .14615
Hudson .14208
Gonzalez.13744
Counsell.1333
S Green .12862
Drew .11921 |
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I notice Gonzo, Counsell, and Green near the bottom of the list. That probably means this statistic is hogwash because they're all "veteran guys who want to win."
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dirtygary
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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I think Drew would be best at the 2 or 6.
He seems like the guy to go the other way on a hit/run, or to move the runner over, or keep a rally going by continuing a string of extra base hits.
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matt
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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nystro wrote: |
I notice Gonzo, Counsell, and Green near the bottom of the list. That probably means this statistic is hogwash because they're all "veteran guys who want to win."  |
lol, 9 posts in and you already have the hang of it here!
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foulpole
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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shoewizard wrote: |
Baseball Prospectus has a stat based on RBI Opportunites that simply tabulates the percentage of runners on base that a player drove in. |
Does it include runners on 1st as well?
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shoewizard
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: |
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# NAME TEAM YEAR PA PA_ROB R1 R2 R3 R1_BI R2_BI R3_BI ROB OBI R1BI% R2BI% R3BI% OBI%
1. Jeff Davanon ARI 2006 256 104 72 52 25 3 12 15 149 30 4.2% 23.1% 60.0% 0.20134
2. Johnny Estrada ARI 2006 443 235 155 111 62 9 20 31 328 60 5.8% 18.0% 50.0% 0.18293
3. Chris Snyder ARI 2006 213 107 69 53 28 5 10 11 150 26 7.2% 18.9% 39.3% 0.17333
4. Carlos Quentin ARI 2006 191 98 78 31 27 7 7 9 136 23 9.0% 22.6% 33.3% 0.16912
5. Conor Jackson ARI 2006 556 282 209 117 65 15 23 26 391 64 7.2% 19.7% 40.0% 0.16368
6. Eric Byrnes ARI 2006 606 248 161 122 57 11 21 21 340 53 6.8% 17.2% 36.8% 0.15588
7. Chad Tracy ARI 2006 662 287 201 124 61 10 22 28 386 60 5.0% 17.7% 45.9% 0.15544
8. Damion Easley ARI 2006 220 92 67 39 24 4 7 8 130 19 6.0% 17.9% 33.3% 0.14615
9. Orlando Hudson ARI 2006 650 276 174 135 57 11 17 24 366 52 6.3% 12.6% 42.1% 0.14208
10. Luis Gonzalez ARI 2006 668 315 206 150 66 13 19 26 422 58 6.3% 12.7% 39.4% 0.13744
11. Craig Counsell ARI 2006 415 140 84 70 41 1 6 19 195 26 1.2% 8.6% 46.3% 0.13333
12. Shawn Green ARI 2006 462 223 154 114 43 8 20 12 311 40 5.2% 17.5% 27.9% 0.12862
13. Stephen Drew ARI 2006 226 111 81 49 21 4 11 3 151 18 4.9% 22.4% 14.3% 0.11921 |
Please see above chart. I used code, but of course the columns don't line up. If any of the Mods know how to do this so things line up nicer, please feel free to go in and fix. The only way I can do it is to move them around manually...and I ain't doing it.
FP, yes the overall percentage I quoted included runners on first. From this chart however, you can see the percentage of runners on first, on second and on third that were driven in by looking that the percentage numbers to the right.
The table also shows the total number of runners on first, 2nd, and 3rd respectively, and how many were driven in. In Drews case, his failure to bring in runners on 3rd is what really killed his percentages.
Drew drove in just 3 of 21 runners on 3rd during his at bats
He drove in 11 of 49 runners on 2nd
He drove in 4 of 81 runners on 1st
In total he drove in 18 of the 151 runners that were on base during his at bats.
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Dangerfield
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_player_splits.jsp?c_id=ari&playerID=452220&sitSplit1=All&statType=1&statSet=1&splitSet=2
He was actually really effective with 1-2nd, .438, in total .235 w/risp. Now also take into account, how many of those chances came down in the line-up??? because he has more bb's with risp, than in other ab's, leading me to believe he was pitched around. I'd stick him in the proverbial 2-hole and smile, for a variety of reasons.
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Dangerfield
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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The line-up next year
O-dog
Drew
CoJack
CQ
Triple Crown
ROY
Byrnes
Snyder
Cy
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Anyone want to take a shot, at why I wouldn't do the right left split with Cojack, CQ, and Triple Crown?
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levski
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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as long as drew is in the lineup for 150 games, does anyone care where he bats? |
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