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EvilJuan
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 Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject: Gambo Bemoans the Lack of a LOOGY |
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D-Backs get no relief against left-handed batters
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Here they come. Barry Bonds, Todd Helton, J.D. Drew, Brian Giles and the National League West. Arizona plays their next 16 games against the National League West. And what do the Diamondbacks have to combat the power left-handed bats of their division rivals? Right-handed pitchers.
For the sixth year in a row the D-Backs are without a left-handed relief pitcher who can actually get anyone out. |
My only reason for posting this is to (1) note that it is an expression of baseball's conventional wisdom (i.e., you need a lhp to deal with a lhb and vice versa); and then (2) to ask if anyone is aware of any statistical consideration of this question that either supports the conventional wisdom, or calls it into question.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Gambo Bemoans the Lack of a LOOGY |
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| EvilJuan wrote: |
| My only reason for posting this is to (1) note that it is an expression of baseball's conventional wisdom (i.e., you need a lhp to deal with a lhb and vice versa); and then (2) to ask if anyone is aware of any statistical consideration of this question that either supports the conventional wisdom, or calls it into question. |
EJ, I suspect statistics do bear out this particular conventional baseball wisdom. I've noted the left/right splits for the last several pitchers the DBacks have faced, and in every case those pitchers have better overall success pitching lefty vs lefty or righty vs righty.
The only semi-interesting exception I've found is when sliders are thrown, right-handed hitters are at a distinct disadvantage when facing left-handed pitchers, and vice versa.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Gambo... why do you even bother linking to his shit? |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
| Gambo... why do you even bother linking to his shit? |
You're likely to get more reliable information HERE than from Gambo.
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EvilJuan
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| levski wrote: |
| Gambo... why do you even bother linking to his <expletive deleted>? |
Not because I think Gambo has any credibility! The article merely served as a springboard to ask the statistical question.
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Here is the very detailed and intricate answer
Good lefty = good
Bad lefty = bad
Of course overall, the lefty righty split is very real...but most loogys are shitty pitchers.
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I'd be willing to bet that, with very few exceptions, most teams would be better off using the roster spot occupied by a loogy to put another, more versatile player into the mix.
The loogy "cachet" is a mystery to me...
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| EvilJuan wrote: |
I'd be willing to bet that, with very few exceptions, most teams would be better off using the roster spot occupied by a loogy to put another, more versatile player into the mix.
The loogy "cachet" is a mystery to me... |
i second that. i'd prefer a good RHP to a bad LHP any day of the week. but the question, when it comes to our bullpen, is do we have either?
/ RIP tony pena
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Gambo Bemoans the Lack of a LOOGY |
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| EvilJuan wrote: |
D-Backs get no relief against left-handed batters
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| For the sixth year in a row the D-Backs are without a left-handed relief pitcher who can actually get anyone out. |
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And gee, it cost them so badly that, during the first of that six-year stretch, they only won the World Series.
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in 2001, AZ had 3 lhers at different times during the year...
Troy brohawn
Greg Swindell
Mike Mohler
All had different levels of sucking...
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David B
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Yes, but their lack of a bullpen lefty didn't keep them from winning. That would say to me that it's not exactly the key component in building a championship team.
And hey, Steve Finley had a 0.00 ERA, so at least one lefty was getting some outs
Actually, looking at the 2001 stats, it's amazing they were able to win with as little pitching as they had. Essentially they had two studs (RJ & Schill), one effective strater (Batista), two relievers (Kim & Prinz), and whole lot of leftover innings that were covered by dreck. If ever there was a team that was built for "the short series," this was it.
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The point of my post was to agree with you...
Those 3 guys pretty much sucked... and it didnt matter. |
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The point of my post was to agree with you...
Those 3 guys pretty much sucked... and it didnt matter. |
So, if you don't mind, I'll interpret this as confirming, more or less, my sense that it really doesn't matter whether or not we have a loogy - and that the real key is to have quality pitchers, regardless of which arm they actually use to throw the ball... where "quality" is understood to mean that "good" is way better than "bad." 
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| By jove, I think he's got it! |
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| David B wrote: |
| By jove, I think he's got it! |
The LOOGY for the sane must on the bench remain.
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| shoewizard wrote: |
Here is the very detailed and intricate answer
Good lefty = multimillions
Bad lefty = multichances
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in 2001, AZ had 3 lhers at different times during the year...
Troy brohawn
Greg Swindell
Mike Mohler |
Believe that should read "Morgan" as in Mike "Geritol Fuckers" Morgan.
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| Believe that should read "Morgan" as in Mike "Geritol Fuckers" Morgan. |
Great moments in live television. I thought Swindell said that.
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| therealnod wrote: |
| Believe that should read "Morgan" as in Mike "Geritol Fuckers" Morgan. |
Great moments in live television. I thought Swindell said that.
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I don't recall Swindell saying anything memorable, but Randy Johnson did praise "Greg" Counsell during the same postgame. 
Was a great celebration.
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| Believe that should read "Morgan" as in Mike "Geritol Fuckers" Morgan. |
I remember that very well.
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| XB3 wrote: |
| therealnod wrote: |
| Believe that should read "Morgan" as in Mike "Geritol Fuckers" Morgan. |
Great moments in live television. I thought Swindell said that.
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I don't recall Swindell saying anything memorable, but Randy Johnson did praise "Greg" Counsell during the same postgame.
Was a great celebration.
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Indeed he did, and someone asked Tony Womack if the woman he hugged after getting the game-winning hit was his mother. He replied, "No, man. That's my wife."
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| I remember the Womack thing. Damn |
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