Diamondbacks Bullpen

David B · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject:

I don't think I thought the Brewers "raped" the Dbacks in the Sexson trade, but I definitely thought they got more than value in return, and was not shy about posting it (I also said I thought Richie would only play one year in AZ and then sign with Seattle--something that had been intimated to me by a mutual acquaintance).

The Sexson trade is the reason I first came to the old AZ Central board (to see what the competition was saying, and because Riche, like me, is a Portland boy). I'd seen Overbay in the coast league for a couple years and loved his hitting approach. I also attended a Triple-A game where Capuano threw a two-hit shut out, so I had a good feeling about him as well. I actually was higher on De La Rosa than was warranted, and thought Moeller would produce more. Spivey and Counsell were salary dumps, but I thought each was better than what Milwaukee already had. It just seemed like way too much for essentially one big bat.

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Tucson DBacks Fan · MLB Rookie Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 208

The Diamondbacks don't look to be under the gun to make more deals, and that's a good position to be in. But during this offseason they will not stop pursuing trades that could further help the team. If a good opportunity comes along to improve the team, how could Josh Byrnes ignore it? I expect to see other moves before the offseason wheeling and dealing is over.

David B · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject:

I completely agree with you Tucson Dbacks fan. J. Byrnes made the one move he had to make--get Estrada off the roster (for a number of reasons) and add a top three starting pitcher (preferably a lefty). Anything else he does now will be from a position of strength.

B. O. N. D. · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject:

Oden · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject:

Fan,

I haven't read BA about Eveland and have hardly ever been to the site. I stand by my statement that his slider is his better pitch. He has 4 good pitches, so if 2 are plus, that's very good. And if you want to judge his prospect status by his 60 MLB innings instead of his 380 minor league innings, there's not much more I'll have to say about him. There's more to the kid than the fat. I don't think he's ace material (nobody does), but he's more than a throw-in. Especially when he won't even make his one millionth dollar until 2008.
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TSWINDERS · Journeyman Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 389

I have seen both Dana and Krynzel many times both from Tucson and from Birmingham.

First Eveland: Fastball that he changes speeds with I have his readings from 85-92 in the May 14th outing. Eveland also has a + Slider that K'd Quentin on. Eveland also has a decent curve as well. I was very impressed from what I saw of him in the 4 games.

Krynzel: Below average hitter and little power. His speed though ranks with the likes of Callaspo and Young. Krynzel also is a good base stealer and a terrific CF. One moment I will never forget was September 11th 2003, SL Division Series with Bham and Huntsville with Huntsville trailing the best of 5 2-1 but leading the game 4-2 in the bottom of the 8th when a Baron player with the tying run at 2nd hit a rocket to the 415' sign in CF. Krynzel while running at full speed leaped and slammed into the wall he somehow held on for the 3rd out if he drops that ball the Barons win the series but he held on and the Stars won both that game and the next.

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If we keep Byrnes, there isn't much money left to go after another starter <maybe 4MM>. If we trade Byrnes we can get a Wolf type off of the rack, which would be nice.

I wonder if anything comes from the Foulke rumors <aging as they are>?

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I think we're all on that bandwagon and it seems Byrnes value has risen substantially since we started that thread. I'm anxious to see JB's next move.

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1101

So, are we done? Not interested in Wolf anymore?

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1161

We still have to deal with Julio <whom I assume we will be trading> and either Hairston/Byrnes, at the very least.

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matt · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject:

Now that I have time I can say a little more. Once again Byrnes does what we like about him: trading from an area of strength and getting undervalued players. Another great thing is that there wasn't a peep about this trade, like most of his moves it came out of nowhere.

I think we can close the book on Wolf now but who knows.

TAP · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject:

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Didnt this deal save us money? Basically Estrada and Davis were going to make about the same, just now we wont have to worry about what an arbitrator would give vargas...

shoewizard · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject:

casey1992 · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject:

A little more on Eveland's history...

Dana was a reliever in his first season (2003) in the Pioneer League. That year, relieving may have been a way to get his feet wet.

He relieved 6 times (vs. 16 starts) in Beloit in 2004, but I don't know how much can be read into that. The Brewers have been known to use a piggy-back system at times in the low minors. He finished the season with 4 starts at Huntsville.

Dana was brought up to relieve in the majors in 2005 after having fine success as a starter at AA Huntsville. His callup was a surprise to a lot of people on the message boards.

As usual, the Brewers needed some bullpen help. Some suggested that because Dana had 109 innings under his belt by early July, finishing off the season in the major league bullpen would be a way to keep his innings down. This might be more of a message board assumption than anything that came officially from the Brewers.

Dana's 2005 AFL stint didn't go well. I don't recall if there was an injury involved, but he did leave before the season was done. I'm inclined to blame the Brewers for the AFL thing, though. 4 players who spent time in the majors were slated to go there. One (Hardy) was scratched before the AFL campaign started. Two others (Eveland and Fielder) left before the season ended. I think these guys were simply burned out from a seven month season. Most AFLers get a bit of a break before playing again.

Here's the lengthy trade discussion on Brewerfan.net, currently at 244 posts.

shoewizard · Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:06 am Post subject:

Casey....welcome

I have long wished you would join this forum.
This guy is a great poster guys.

kris · September Call-Up Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 75

Welcome Aboard Casey.

I dont know anything about Krynzel.
But from what i read, he reminds me of another good prospect gone BUST.

Krynzel is similar to Luis Terrero. He also has speed but lacked in offense.
We just hope Krynzel will be more than that.