Diamondbacks Bullpen

[levski]

A rotation spot, a rotation spot
Half a kingdom for a rotation spot

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/1001dbnotes1001.html

I say Lyon gets punked as a starter... Unless this is a trade ploy...
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[shoewizard]

I don't think it's a ploy, so much as an idea. What the article does not say is that his fastball and curve are not GREAT pitches....just good pitches. I think they are just saying he profiles better as a starter than reliever, since he has 4 pitches he can throw for strikes as opposed to 2 great pitches.

Of course there is a reason he was converted to a reliever in the first place, and with his injury and durability issues, it seems silly to me to try to turn him into a starter. I guess they figure nothing to lose.

I hope you are right and it's just a trade value smokescreen.....because otherwise the d backs are going to end up paying 1.3 million for a mediocre reliever,/ wannabe starter.

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Did you see the little quote from Estrada at the bottom:

[McCray]

lyon as a starter? jesus, he'd fall apart on the mound.

not only is he extremely fragile (and, btw, shouldn't be warmed up on back to back days, bomel) but he's also only effective for short bursts. no way, no how does he have success as a starter.
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[baldmaga]

Aquino would be a better starter than Lyon.

[Front Porch]

so what's the over/under for his first trip to the DL.

[McCray]

[NJ-DBACKS-FAN]

i can see it now.........bomel walks to the mound bends over reaching to the ground and picks the ball out lyons hand as his arm lay right there on the pitching rubber. twiching, throbbing and done!
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[lee mellon]

[Dangerfield]

We know his tragic history, but the guy has better control and make up than Javy, with the same type stuff. Got like those guys who can come out painting the outside corner at the knees, low 90's.
Webb
Hernandez
Lyon
Edgar
Enrique, Nippert, Owings

Now, come December, my tea leaf reading tells me, Livian going to the Mets, so my number 2, might be moving, and Lyon might be moving up.
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[shoewizard]

If the d backs trade for a coupe of somewhat comparable "innings eaters" that cost less than Livan, (or that they have more than one year of control over), then I could see Livan being traded, and the Mets would certainly be a good candidate.

But until that happens, I don't think Livan is going anywhere.

[Dangerfield]

Livian,Aquino, and Estrada for Heilmann and Bannister
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[shoewizard]

I'd be fine with that trade, but the Mets have LoDuca signed through 2007, so they would not be a candidate to trade for Estrada.

[McCray]

i also just can't see lyon making it through a season as a starter. i can't. even when they limit him to one inning, and avoid back to back appearances, he still gets gassed out every few weeks. if he's a starter, i don't see any way he makes it through a season with over 150 IP and no injury.
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Hank, you're dead to me.

[baldmaga]

[Counsell]

Baldmaga is 100% correct. He's got to build up that arm at least somewhat gradually. And because he has 4 pitches he's perfect for long relief (assuming Bo-Mel doesn't pinch hit for him every single time).

If he can pitch long relief over half a season or so, then give him some spot starts. This is, of course, the time-tested way you do it. (See Earl Weaver and Ray Miller.)

[shoewizard]

Is there such a thing as long relief with Bomel, in any game the d backs are not losing by 8-9 runs?

[baldmaga]

[Counsell]

Probably not. That's why he'll probably want to carry 17 pitchers next year (with the other 8 spots "reserved" for position players), and STILL cause about 10 sore arms.

So I suppose you could argue that you don't need long relievers for BO-Mel, only starters and short relievers. Lots of problems with that of course, including not only larger pitching rosters, the inability to develop starters at the major league level (it has to be in the minors), and the necessity of calling starters up all the time from the minors (and then sending them back down). This also means that we could never have a Triple A affiliate more than a few hundred miles away.

It might be easier and cheaper just to hire a new manager. Just a thought.

[shoewizard]

Well....I guess to be fair, Melvin did not have any guys to work with that could go 2 or 3 innings without having to be shut down for a week. Well, expect for Grimsley, early in the season.

[Dangerfield]

well out of all the deals so far on the board, getting, Myers and/or Jennings, would probably be the most beneficial, to the team's fortune, and Sutton (don) of course.
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[Dangerfield]

Another guy too, to keep on the radar is whatever Russ O is about. A razor sharp guy out thinks he's one of the top 5, yes 5 pitching prospects he watched at the end the year, and didn't miss any of his starts. His take, and he's full of a lot of hyperbole is he's Chris Carpenter in two years.
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[baldmaga]

[Oden]

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