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Ceannsaich
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Sorry again if this is a simple question, I don't know anything about Minor leagues:
What would be a decent-to-good timetable for Parker to move up in the system? A year at Low A, High A, AA, and AAA? Does it usually take 3-4 years for the HS arms to get up there? |
Well, pitchers usually take longer than hitters to progress. A highschool pitcher will inherently take longer to develop then a college guy. He should spend at least 4 years in the minors. He cant throw sliders for the first 2 years. They are bad for a developing arm to throw and the organization wants him to work on his secondary and third pitches. Scherzer took part of 06, all of 07 and probably most of 08. Scherzer was a college senior when he was drafted.
Im sure shoewizard or his son (  ) may chime in regarding your post as well.
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virtualmullet
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Sorry again if this is a simple question, I don't know anything about Minor leagues:
What would be a decent-to-good timetable for Parker to move up in the system? A year at Low A, High A, AA, and AAA? Does it usually take 3-4 years for the HS arms to get up there? |
Well, pitchers usually take longer than hitters to progress. A highschool pitcher will inherently take longer to develop then a college guy. He should spend at least 4 years in the minors. He cant throw sliders for the first 2 years. They are bad for a developing arm to throw and the organization wants him to work on his secondary and third pitches. Scherzer took part of 06, all of 07 and probably most of 08. Scherzer was a college senior when he was drafted.
Im sure shoewizard or his son ( ) may chime in regarding your post as well.
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Thanks man. So how long are they are under contract then? Does it start once they hit the majors, or what?
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The team controls a players rights for the first 6 full years of major league service time.
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Sheriff27
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| virtualmullet wrote: |
Sorry again if this is a simple question, I don't know anything about Minor leagues:
What would be a decent-to-good timetable for Parker to move up in the system? A year at Low A, High A, AA, and AAA? Does it usually take 3-4 years for the HS arms to get up there? |
Well, pitchers usually take longer than hitters to progress. A highschool pitcher will inherently take longer to develop then a college guy. [1]He should spend at least 4 years in the minors. He cant throw sliders for the first 2 years. They are bad for a developing arm to throw and [2]the organization wants him to work on his secondary and third pitches. [3]Scherzer took part of 06, all of 07 and probably most of 08. Scherzer was a college senior when he was drafted.
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Ok, I numbered my bolds so this would be easier:
1) TINSTAAPP and all, I don't believe Jarrod SHOULD spend 4 years, but it's a solid timetable to go by. I would prefer to see him in three.
2) Um... Justin... his secondary pitch IS his slider. His primary is his 92-98 MPH heater, secondary is his slider, and third is his changeup, which apparently has made the most progress out of all of his pitches. The organization isn't so much against not wanting him to throw the slider to protect his arm as they are wanting him to throw the bread-and-butter fastball/change more often so that he can work on getting consistent movement on his mechanics and pitches, gain more control for both of them, and also work on the velocities of the pitches to maximize their effectiveness.
3) Scherzer was drafted in June, 2006, and wasn't signed until June, 2007. He spent some of the time in b/w Mizzou and Visalia (A+ ball) by playing for an independent league team. So to take Scherzer as an example for a typical College draftee might not be the smartest of ideas...
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levski
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I don't expect Parker to make it to the majors as fast as Beckett (216 IP)
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/Josh-Beckett.shtml
Philip Hughes (275 IP in the minors, on careful pitch count) might a good comp
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Philip-Hughes.shtml
Here's hoping of course that Parker stays healthy
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Sheriff27
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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I don't expect Parker to make it to the majors as fast as Beckett (216 IP)
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/Josh-Beckett.shtml
Philip Hughes (275 IP in the minors, on careful pitch count) might a good comp
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Philip-Hughes.shtml
Here's hoping of course that Parker stays healthy |
I've been thinking Hughes as well. It's also a good comp in my mind b/c of the curveball Hughes throws that the Yanks didn't let him unleash until later in his minor league compare, which appears to be the same direction the Snakes are going w/ Jarrod's slider.
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dirtygary
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Agreed. It'd be great if he could develop into a successful fastball-changeup pitcher warranting a call-up that has a nasty slider in his back pocket.
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TheGoldenGreek33
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KG had an article for you BP subscribers that broke down Parkers last start.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7395
For those who don't subscribe, here is a summary from a scout:
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| “I haven’t seen him before, and I was expecting a little more polish out of him. I certainly like his arm, but his breaking ball was below average today, although I liked the spin he generated, so there’s potential there. This is just his second pro start, and you have to give him credit for pitching in a full-season league right now when a lot of kids like him would be in extended [spring training]. That cutting movement on his fastball hinders his command of the pitch, but once he gets a better feel for it, it’s going to be a real weapon.” |
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| He cant throw sliders for the first 2 years. They are bad for a developing arm to throw and the organization wants him to work on his secondary and third pitches. |
Not to call you out, but KG did notice a handful of sliders in his last start.
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Ceannsaich
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Ok, so 2 poeple have corrected my post.  I was giving examples becasue VM asked about the minor leagues.
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Sheriff27
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| Ok, so 2 poeple have corrected my post. I was giving examples becasue VM asked about the minor leagues. |
You lose at life, Ceann. You lose at life.
Nah, we forgive and forget.
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mick77
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| When is Parker's next start, please..Wednesday, maybe? Thinking of driving up there to see him. |
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TheGoldenGreek33
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| When is Parker's next start, please..Wednesday, maybe? Thinking of driving up there to see him. |
edit: I'm an idiot. He's going tonight.
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mick77
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| Thanks...it looks like we see him next home stand. |
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coolwater
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| When is Parker's next start, please..Wednesday, maybe? Thinking of driving up there to see him. |
edit: I'm an idiot. He's going tonight.
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Thank you. I'm waiting for info. 
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RDD
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Jarrod actually went today (Tuesday). The Hawks host two 10:30 AM starts per year so schools can attend games for field trips, today was one of those. The Hawks won 8-4, and I hear Parker looked good. Today was one of only two games I plan on missing all year (the big boy job takes precedence).
Mick, our next homestand begins May 2 and runs for a week and a half or so. If the rotation stays as it is now, Jarrod will pitch twice during the next homestand. It is rumored that AJ Hinch will be in town to watch a couple of our games, and I would bet Parker is on his list of games. I will try to remember to post back here the days that he is scheduled to pitch once I get the info. If you come up to watch a game, I would like to meet a fellow dbacks bullpen poster!
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here is the Hawks' schedule.
Parker went 4 with 6 k's no w's. today. |
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levski
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here is the Hawks' schedule.
Parker went 4 with 6 k's no w's. today. |
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_22_wisafx_souafx_1&cid=550&t=g_box
Definitely a solid effort by Parker
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coolwater
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here is the Hawks' schedule.
Parker went 4 with 6 k's no w's. today. |
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_22_wisafx_souafx_1&cid=550&t=g_box
Definitely a solid effort by Parker
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Good. He is likely to start finding his groove.
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mick77
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| Mick, our next homestand begins May 2 and runs for a week and a half or so. If the rotation stays as it is now, Jarrod will pitch twice during the next homestand. It is rumored that AJ Hinch will be in town to watch a couple of our games, and I would bet Parker is on his list of games. I will try to remember to post back here the days that he is scheduled to pitch once I get the info. If you come up to watch a game, I would like to meet a fellow dbacks bullpen poster! |
Will let you know when I'm coming up there. I live just south of Fort Wayne. It will be nice to meet you, Im sure!
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coolwater
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Another solid outing by Jarrod Parker
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_28_souafx_belafx_1&t=g_log&did=milb
Beloit Bottom 1st
Joe Benson strikes out swinging.
Ben Revere flies out to left fielder Aaron Hanke.
Garrett Olson grounds out to first baseman Michael Mee.
Beloit Bottom 2nd
Chris Parmelee flies out to center fielder Evan Frey.
Jair Fernandez grounds out, third baseman Ramon Ramirez to first baseman Michael Mee.
Steven Singleton pops out to third baseman Ramon Ramirez.
Beloit Bottom 3rd
Gregory Yersich grounds out, third baseman Ramon Ramirez to first baseman Michael Mee.
Mark Dolenc walks.
Chris Cates grounds into a force out, shortstop Matthew Oxendine to second baseman Elijah Rumler. Mark Dolenc out at 2nd. Chris Cates to 1st.
Joe Benson singles on a line drive to right fielder Derrick Walker. Chris Cates to 3rd.
Ben Revere called out on strikes.
Beloit Bottom 4th
Garrett Olson grounds out, second baseman Elijah Rumler to first baseman Michael Mee.
Chris Parmelee hit by pitch.
Jair Fernandez grounds out, first baseman Michael Mee to pitcher Jarrod Parker. Chris Parmelee to 2nd.
Steven Singleton triples (1) on a fly ball to right fielder Derrick Walker. Chris Parmelee scores.
Gregory Yersich flies out to center fielder Evan Frey.
Beloit Bottom 5th
Mark Dolenc lines out to right fielder Derrick Walker.
Chris Cates grounds out, second baseman Elijah Rumler to first baseman Michael Mee.
Joe Benson grounds out, third baseman Ramon Ramirez to first baseman Michael Mee.
5IP 2 H 1ER 1BB 2K 1.84ERA
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| Yup, just an RBI triple allowed. And he is in line for his 1st pro win |
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Mr. Moneybags has been too busy to speak w/ little ol' me haha
I'll get in touch w/ him eventually, though...
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Mr. Moneybags has been too busy to speak w/ little ol' me haha
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maybe you need to give him some space. your love is suffocating him
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