Diamondbacks Bullpen

TAP · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:53 am Post subject: Whom to protect, whom to let go?

...or the spirit of Dan Uggla redux.

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

bump...

http://forum.diamondbacksbullpen.org/viewtopic.php?t=187

matt · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:45 am Post subject:

I think we can count on Jerry Gil staying unprotected...

B. O. N. D. · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:49 am Post subject:

Jerry Gil? Rolling Eyes

He's such a tease.

126/18 K/BB between AA and AAA 2006. 24 yo on Thursday.
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McCray · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:00 am Post subject:

steven jackson better get protected.
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qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

I agree... was trying to figure out when he pitches - i will be there to "scout"..

McCray · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:03 am Post subject:

if you find out when he's pitching, let me know. i'd love to see him too.
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qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

An AFL schedule can be found here (apoligize if posted already)

xjwheelr · AA Prospect Joined: 11 Sep 2006 Posts: 47

I just wanted to give Kudos to Tap for correctly using "whom" in the title of this thread.

March on, soldiers of the English language! Laughing

VIII · A-Ball Kid Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 14

GOodbye Gil
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moviegeekjn · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject:

TAP · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:38 pm Post subject:

matt · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject:

moviegeekjn · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

From the link above (message 2), following up:

shoewizard · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

Great update. Thanks for the detail.

Anyone picked in the rule 5 would have to stay on the drafting teams 25 man roster all year, correct?

Would any team want to keep Barden on their 25 man all year? The "worst teams" would seem to all have 3b pretty much taken care of, right?

I am just guessing who they might gamble with if they decided to expose someone to the draft.

I think A. Green will be gone regardless....but I would be mildly surprised if they DFA'd Clark. It's the right move of course, but I would still be surprised.

Perhaps they make a multi player or 2 for 1 trade that opens up a spot or two. Don't forget they want to get a starter and a "middle of the order" bat. So thats two spots you need,....but Estrada will most likley go....so then you'd be down to 1 additional spot for a traded in.

dirtygary · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject:

I think they'll DFA Clark. It'd be one thing if he was coming off a productive season and we watched him play, but he's been gone for a while and I don't think there would be much made of it. The guy is bald/grey. We need the roster spot, specifically to be able to protect the young guys like D'Antona, etc. Also, other teams might be more likely to take a chance on one of our guys cuz of what Uggla did this year. Once we show Gonzo and Counsell the door, all bets are off. Nobody's untouchable.

If we're looking to add a middle of the order bat, who's projected to be the best cost/production for the next three years in LF or 3/1B?
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Tucson DBacks Fan · MLB Rookie Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 208

Clark is not costing the team much money. He's a veteran presence, and he's willing to be a reserve. He has a lot of pop in his bat and last year he was injured. He is a decent fielding first baseman. if he is healthy next year, he could make a nice comeback. I wouldn't mind seeing the Diamondbacks keeping him until spring training is going to see how he's come off his injuries to better predict if he'd come back with a season like 2005 or like 2006.

Oden · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject:

TCBF speaks the truth, people. He's already signed for $1M, he's a switch hitter with some pop and he fully accepts being a reserve. All pluses. Have to at least see how he's doing in March before you make a decision on the guy, because I think the 40-man will be fine going into the Rule 5 (although I need to verify that). He's gray, but he's not Gonzo old.

If we see the same Clark in the spring that we saw last year and Carter looks to be improved at all with the glove, go ahead and let Clark go. Carter is not ready to be a full-time NL 1st baseman IMO, if he ever will be. He's a DH in my book, but I can keep an open mind. His LH bat would be nice off the bench. Plus, he can reminisce with Quentin about Palo Alto.

shoewizard · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject:

Heading us off at the pass before we run with the
Veteran Presence TM comment? Twisted Evil

Like you said, they may be able to resolve the 40 man issues. But if having Clark on the roster means losing anyone of those guys on the list to the rule 5 draft, do you think it's worth it?

I don't know....just asking.

I don't think his issues were just the shoulder.......he looked old and totally slower with his swing from spring training on, before he injured his shoulder.

Oden · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject:

I need to see who all needs to be protected before I can say. But I can guarantee that Byrnes will not make the mistake he made last year with Uggla ever again. He'll have the 40-man under control before the Rule 5. Of course, if it's a question of keeping him or a minor leaguer of value, I don't mind dumping $1M. If keeping Clark until spring is not an issue, it's a no-brainer for reasons stated above.

Pilgrim 33 · Draft Pick Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 9

Would anyone be surprised if Daigle is moved? He had a 3.60 ERA at the big league level but that was mostly luck. Opposing hitters hit well over .300 against him. They hit over .300 against him at AAA as well where he posted a 4.60 ERA in four times as many innings, a far better sample size. His strikeout to inning pitch ratio at that level does not suggest that he's overpowering enough to step it up consistently at the big league level. He had good numbers as a reliever at Double-A in 2005, but that was at Tennessee and after he spent time in the big leagues as a starter in 2004. I think he might be a victim of the number crunch or included in a trade while he still has some prospective value.

Oden · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject:

He probably hasn't run out of chances, but I'll put it this way. There are any number of other pitching prospects in the D-backs system I'd rather keep. If he's gone, it's because he's stuck in a numbers game. Personally, I don't see him doing anything in the majors other than middle to long relief. Shoe doesn't call his fastball moose dick straight for no reason.