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Most realistic pitching option in year 2007

 
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Most realistic pitching options in 2007...
Jeremy Bonderman
7%
 7%  [ 2 ]
Jake Westbrook
21%
 21%  [ 6 ]
Vincente Padilla
17%
 17%  [ 5 ]
Ted Lilly
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
Gil Meche
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Micah Owings, Dustin Nippert
39%
 39%  [ 11 ]
Others
10%
 10%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: Most realistic pitching option in year 2007 Reply with quote

Who can we most likely get to?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think our most likely bet is to go with the kids -- nip and owings and the flying gonzalez brothers.

next most likely, i'd guess, is padilla. FA.

then westbrook, maybe.

a distant last is bonderman. i want the guy, but it's going to be crazy getting him. it's an auction with 29 teams, quite a few of which see him as the last piece they need. i think we'll get outplayed.

but i think he is the best option out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McCray wrote:
i think our most likely bet is to go with the kids -- nip and owings and the flying gonzalez brothers.

next most likely, i'd guess, is padilla. FA.

then westbrook, maybe.

a distant last is bonderman. i want the guy, but it's going to be crazy getting him. it's an auction with 29 teams, quite a few of which see him as the last piece they need. i think we'll get outplayed.

but i think he is the best option out there.

What he said.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, NOW everybody is jumping on the padilla flotilla. but when *I* mentioned him here, I got laughed out of Dodge.

How come "I don't know" isn't an option?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for the record, i was cool with padilla's flotilla when you mentioned it. it's just, well, he's no bonderman. he's a good pitcher, but it's hard to get the hardon for that guy. bonderman, that erection lasts longer than 4 hrs. it hurts, but it hurts so good.

i've been drinking.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the tigers will be idiots to trade bonderman. they need to get rid of that old goat rogers, not bonderman...

and this is all a moot point as the dbacks won't really spend much money on the free agent market anyhow...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
oh, NOW everybody is jumping on the padilla flotilla. but when *I* mentioned him here, I got laughed out of Dodge.

How come "I don't know" isn't an option?


Who laughed you out of Dodge?

I think he gets 3/18 to 3/21. Do you think thats high? Low?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
the tigers will be idiots to trade bonderman. they need to get rid of that old goat rogers, not bonderman...

and this is all a moot point as the dbacks won't really spend much money on the free agent market anyhow...


from what i've heard from other detroit fans, bonderman doesn't really like detroit that much. i mean, the place is like a third world country, and he knows he has a payday coming up.

if teams don't get compensation picks anymore, i just can't see the tigers holding onto him. they'll trade him before he walks as a FA and they get shit.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please no Vicente Padilla. The thought of him standing up at a press conference sends chills down my spine. Chills named Russ Ortiz.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McCray wrote:

from what i've heard from other detroit fans, bonderman doesn't really like detroit that much. i mean, the place is like a third world country, and he knows he has a payday coming up.


Having lived in Detroit for a year, I can't imagine anyone liking it that much (unless their brains get mushed playing street hockey).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lee mellon wrote:
Please no Vicente Padilla. The thought of him standing up at a press conference sends chills down my spine. Chills named Russ Ortiz.

And those are Xtra-Large chills. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moviegeekjn wrote:
McCray wrote:

from what i've heard from other detroit fans, bonderman doesn't really like detroit that much. i mean, the place is like a third world country, and he knows he has a payday coming up.


Having lived in Detroit for a year, I can't imagine anyone liking it that much (unless their brains get mushed playing street hockey).


an espn reporter has a story about being in detroit for something, and walking down the street with a friend. a guy pulls up next to him in a car, gets out, and punches him in the face, yelling about what he did.

after some confusion, and probably bleeding, the reporter convinces the puncher that he's not the guy the puncher is after. he just apparently looked like him.

puncher shrugged and left, no apology.

that's living in detroit for you -- it's a constant punch in the face. god i hated it. the gf wants to visit back there to meet my grandmother (who, btw, is a total bitch), and i just won't go. i just refuse to go back to detroit again. i got mugged there a few years ago for like the 11th time. never again.

fuck you, detroit.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonderman: AZ will be outbid. Thumbs up

Westbrook: CLE will probably keep him, but... thumbs up

Padilla: Too many "character flaws" to be a fit in AZ Rolling Eyes Still, thumbs up

Lilly: Uh... FB pitcher, 28 dingers, 37 doubles, welcome to Chase!

Meche: Why? Other than less FB, almost identical to Lilly

Owings/Nippert: More likely than not, but maybe too soon

Other: My vote

Caveat: Don't know Seattle's or Toronto's parks
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Westbrook had his option picked up today
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the option pickup was a gimme....he still could be traded.

I wonder why Levski left Dontrelle Willis off the poll Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best bet would probably be to keep Livan to eat some innings, keep Vargas because he's still a sub 5.0 ERA guy and will only cost about $2M, Edgar Gonzo in the 4 slot, and let the others battle out for the 5. If it turns out we have a couple options, then we can trade somebody (Livan).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B. O. N. D. wrote:
Meche: Why? Other than less FB, almost identical to Lilly

Caveat: Don't know Seattle's or Toronto's parks


Biggest differences between Meche and Lilly...Meche is 2 years younger (28 vs. 30), Lilly is lefthanded.

Seattle is a definite pitcher's park that is particularly tough on right handed batters.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Westbrook would be *the* realistic option, because his name was out there after the Deadline happened. He would be a great #3 pitcher, but I think we could do better.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd look at the Orioles as a trade partner. First, since Earl and I left (there actually may be a cause and effect with Earl), they don't know what they are doing. Second, they need almost everything especially outfielders (the problem is that they are so dumb they may not know this). Third, they have some likely looking young pitchers.

O's stats from last year

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/2006.shtml

I doubt we get Bedard or Loewn although I sure would ask. Of the other guys, I am only going by stats so tell me if they injured or wife beaters.

Hayden Penn was mentioned in trade rumors in 2005. He is 22, 6'3" 195 lbs; 133k/47w in 114 ip at AA.

Branden Erbe 19, 6'4" 180 lbs. 133/47 in 114 ip at low A

Garrett Olson 23; 6'1" 200lbs 77/19 in 81 ip at hi a; 85/31 in 84 ip at AA.

None of these guys are worth one of the Chosen, but Hairston and a reliever might get Penn.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoewizard wrote:
Well, the option pickup was a gimme....he still could be traded.

I wonder why Levski left Dontrelle Willis off the poll Rolling Eyes



I didn't put up the poll, what are you blaming me for? Geez
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Gammons on Bonderman:

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Holding Jeremy Bonderman until Game 4 created further fodder that he could be available at the end of the season, and the Bonderman-Mark Teixeira rumors are already out there.


It looks like the Tigers want a huge bat in return.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoshByrnesWhenIPee wrote:
Peter Gammons on Bonderman:

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Holding Jeremy Bonderman until Game 4 created further fodder that he could be available at the end of the season


It looks like the Tigers want a huge bat in return.


Ah, good old peter gammons. He still makes less sense than a goat on ice.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyon, and the rubber band on his elbow, looks better and better all the time. Lyon's a young Sele, when Sele was young. Come on Sele Lyon.
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