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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject:
There is plenty of time.
Forget about getting Drew to sign away any free agency years anyway, he is a Boras client.
The other guys can wait till after this year and they are sure who they want to keep.
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League avg for league minimum is excellent, league avg for 10 million?........not so much.
Like Shoe said, all the guys the Rockies are inking up have more service time and are further in the process than our guys. Atkins, Hawpe, Holliday, etc have all produced for multiple seasons already.
Here's a question. What's up with all the pre-arbitration players getting upset publicly about their low salaries?
Seems to be a disturbing trend as all our young players gather service time. I am waiting for all the complaints when we give out contracts.
I have read a couple articles, first Prince Fielder, Nick Markakis, and now Jonathan Papelbon is trying to "establish a salary standard for future closers" when he is still a year away from arbirtration.
Makes what the team went through with Valverde seem tame.
These kids have to know they won't get big bucks when their team could pay them slightly above the league minimum.
I don't know, the Red sox have money so maybe they will give him the big bucks he thinks he deserves, but I doubt it.
It seems like it might be public positioning on the part of the agents via the players, to get more money pre-arbitration. Either that he is completely oblivious to the process and somehow thinks a business man will overpay for a product when he doesn't have to.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject:
YBC-Dog wrote:
It seems like it might be public positioning on the part of the agents via the players, to get more money pre-arbitration. Either that he is completely oblivious to the process and somehow thinks a business man will overpay for a product when he doesn't have to.
The only leverage these players have is years away. But it doesn't hurt to remind the business man that the product will be soon enough be a FA, and that the businessman will likely be frenetically trying to locked said product down to a long term deal before that happens, and that perhaps cultivating a positive relationship with said product before hand may payoff down the road.
Taking the short-sighted view, you can simply pay all of em $390k a year. In the Fielder case, the Brewers decide to pay him $670k for his 156 OPS+ season, the year after the Phillies payed Howard $900k for his 167 OPS+ season at the same position. The Brewers cited Fielder's failure to win two popular votes among sportswriters as costing him $200k on their scale (and one of the votes was partly based on how well the team did as a whole). So they either paid him 60% more than they were required or 30% less than another organization paid a very similar player.
I would say the Brewers were shortsighted. Between player payroll, minor league and developmental costs, and executive/organizational overhead, they will spend easily over $100M this year to field their team. They declined to increase that by .1 to .2% at max, to keep the most valuable player on that team happy. They used a "scale" that was nonsensical, and worst, let the player know about it. They apparently didn't make an effort to gauge his expectations ahead of time. My guess is if they did, he would have been happy they asked and would have happily settled for $750k or $800k.
I'm hoping Josh Byrnes comes up with a logical, rational salary scale for these players, and has someone spend time with them to gauge/set expectations, and cultivate the type of relationship where the player feels positively about the organization, and it's honesty and fairness.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject:
In case anyone missed it, here are some updates to contract status that Nick gave us last week
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Finishing touches
The Diamondbacks are close to finalizing contracts for all of their pre-arbitration players.
Per collective bargaining rules, the club determines how much players are paid above league minimum in their first three years in the majors. Still, players can either agree to a contract or refuse to sign off, in which case they are renewed.
Outfielder Chris Young appears to be the only player whose contract will be renewed. He is expected to be paid $406,000, which is $16,000 above league minimum.
While some players in recent weeks have been outspoken in their dissatisfaction about their team-assigned salaries, Young just shrugged and shook his head when asked if there were any hard feelings.
The Diamondbacks use a formula that includes service time and playing time in calculating their pre-arbitration salaries, Assistant General Manager Peter Woodfork said.
"We feel like it's important to treat everyone consistently," Woodfork said. "Like all formulas, you can poke holes in it, but again I think it treats everyone fairly."
Others who have agreed to deals include first baseman Conor Jackson ($419,500), third baseman Mark Reynolds ($396,500), outfielder Justin Upton ($393,000), outfielder Jeff Salazar ($393,000) and catcher Robby Hammock ($409,500).
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I'll update the payroll figures soon when I get around to it.
Meanwhile, today From Steve's Mailbag:
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Why did the D-backs agree to contracts with most players, but renew Chris Young and Tony Pena?
-- Josh R., Mesa, Ariz.
The players that were signed or renewed were those that do not have enough service time to qualify for arbitration, so they do not possess any leverage. The D-backs front office has a formula that it uses to set the salary for those players. The players either agree to the terms or choose to have their contracts renewed as kind of a sign of protest. The D-backs used to penalize players by a set dollar amount, if they chose a renewal, but have abandoned that practice. It is rare for a player to be renewed under general manager Josh Byrnes. Young and Pena were the first since Medders and Jose Valverde two years ago to have it done.
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Boston spent about $143 million to win the World Series; the D-Backs, Colorado and Cleveland together spent about $168 million.
“It’s baseball. It’s fun. We all love it. We are all competing,” D-Backs general manager Josh Byrnes said.
“But you still have to run a business. We have to be accountable for the dollars we spend. Every team does it to some degree. Some teams do it to a larger degree.”
Despite the Valley’s growing population, the D-Backs are among the smallest of small-market teams in terms of media and advertising revenue streams through which larger metropolitan areas — again, New York is the prime example — can fortify themselves.
Adhering to a smaller payroll is a charge that was spelled out when Byrnes was hired in 2005, and one that he took on willingly.
“There are challenges, but I think there are also advantages. The advantages are, we focus a lot on our own talent, our own minor leagues,” Byrnes said.
The D-Backs have managed to avoid the low-payroll, out-of-contention-in-May syndrome, except for the plummet of 2004.
FULL STORY FROM JACK MAGRUDER / EAST VALLEY TRIBUNE HERE
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