Diamondbacks Bullpen

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: Is this true?? HOPE NOT

Living here in NJ i hear crap about the Yankees and Mets all day.....
Now that they Yanks are having "some of thier own" playing well they talk about the yanks farm system not being bad.....

which leads me to my point, is it true when the d-backs and yanks were pulling off the Johnson and Vaz deal the yanks had Robinson Cano in the deal and the dbacks said no dont want him?? Well turns out he is a player and he would be a nice one to have/trade later....

Dont know if this is true, or if anyone knows, but I had to ask and I figured that this is the best place....

any insight?
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Stuart · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:06 am Post subject:

They said anyone from the minors could be included, meaning we also took a flyer on Chin Min Chicken Wings or whoever he is.

Hed be a pretty sweet guy to have in the rotation now Crying or Very sad

matt · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:21 am Post subject:

That's right. Hell, we probably could have had both!

DesertKnight · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:25 am Post subject:

But if I remember correctly, and I might be wrong, didn't we pick Navarro because that's who the Dodgers wanted in the Green swap? So our choice was based on what we needed to get Green, not on our own farm system.

YBC-Dog · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:32 am Post subject:

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NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:

ok so i will continue with my

"i have no idea, i am not on the front office email list" answers when they ask

cause navarro for green??? then they trade him to TB???? man the green trade looks worse each and everyday
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Aaron · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:

I'm not sold on either being a better bet going forward than Chris Young. I'm ok with how that all turned out.

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:08 am Post subject:

matt · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:16 am Post subject:

Wang or no Wang, we still get Young back.

baldmaga · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject:

Don't forget we got Brad Halsey too...

We all know how that worked out

At least we have a serviceable arm in the bullpen now.

Aaron · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject:

DesertKnight · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

Let's not forget that RJ wanted out, he wanted to go to NYY, and we couldn't afford to pay him what it would have taken to keep him. I think, given those restrictions, the team didn't do too badly.

I would like to know--if any of you have access to such info--what the scouting reports were on Cano and Wang at the time of the trade. Were they considered good prospects or not? I seem to recall that Cano wasn't really thought that highly of--after all, the Yanks signed Womack so they wouldn't have to play Cano.

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject:

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject:

Beer connoiseur · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject:

I believe Cano was indeed held in high regard within the Yankee's system. Whether or not the Dbacks could have gotten him is debatable seeing as Moorad's goal at the time was to secure Shawn Green from the Dodgers.

Aaron · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject:

Catharsis · Journeyman Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 338

The D-Backs could sure use a lot of Wang.

TAP · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject:

DesertKnight · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject:

stu · Everyday Player Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 560

Wang was #10 on BA's ranking. Cano #2. Navarro #5. I remember liking Duncan at the time, but I think the poster who said the Dbacks looked only at Navvaro because that is who the Dodgers wanted is right.

The Yanks (add that to your sexual inuendo list) were not thought to have a great farm system at the time.

From November 2004

CHIEN-MING WANG, rhp Age: 25 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-3. Wt: 200
Signed: Taiwan, 2000 Signed by: John Cox/Gordon Blakeley

Background: Wang signed for $1.9 million out of Taiwan in 2000, and he's close to paying dividends after being deterred by shoulder surgery in 2001 and a shoulder strain in 2003. He shined for Taiwan in the 2004 Olympics, going 1-0, 1.98 in two starts.

Strengths: Wang has one of the best fastballs in the organization. His fastball velocity returned to its pre-injury level late in 2004, as he worked at 92-95 mph and touched 97. He proved he's healthy by logging a career-high 149 innings. His splitter and slider are solid-average pitches.

Weaknesses: While Wang's fastball has excellent velocity, it tends to get straight. He needs to use his changeup and splitter better against lefthanders, who tattooed him for a .307 average in 2004. Wang’s medical history isn’t encouraging, and he pulled a hamstring in the Triple-A International League playoffs, knocking him out of the organization’s fall minicamp.

The Future: Wang will get a chance to break into the big league rotation in 2005. He’s the Yankees' best option for a low-cost, young starter.

2004 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG
Trenton (AA) 6 5 4.05 18 18 0 0 109 112 6 26 90 .266
Columbus (AAA) 5 1 2.01 6 5 2 0 40 31 3 8 35 .215

2. ROBINSON CANO, 2b Age: 22 B-T: L-R Ht: 6-0 Wt.: 170
Signed: Dominican Republic, 2001 Signed by: Carlos Rios

Background: Many fans became acquainted with Cano when his name was tossed around in trade rumors as the Yankees unsuccessfully tried to acquire Randy Johnson at the July 31 deadline. A confident player, Cano plays as if he belongs in the majors. His father Jose pitched briefly in the big leagues.

Strengths: Cano’s arm is his best tool and rates as a 65 on the 20-80 scouting scale. More important, he can hit. He has good bat speed and a fluid swing, allowing him to catch up to good fastballs. His improving plate discipline helped his power numbers increase, as he set career highs in walks and slugging percentage in 2004.

Weaknesses: Cano hasn’t handled lefthanders well, with just seven extra-base hits in 130 at-bats against southpaws above Class A. He's a below-average runner for an infielder, and his lower half figures to get thicker as he gets older. However, he has solid infield actions and the Yankees refute reports that he has below-average range.

The Future: If Miguel Cairo leaves via free agency, Cano could be a platoon option in New York for 2005. More likely, he'll head back to Columbus for a full season in Triple-A.

2004 Club (Class) AVG OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
Trenton (AA) .301 .356 .497 292 43 88 20 8 7 44 24 40 2
Columbus (AAA) .259 .316 .403 216 22 56 9 2 6 30 18 27 0

DIONER NAVARRO, c Age: 21 B-T: B-R Ht: 5-10 Wt: 190
Signed: Venezuela, 2000 Signed by: Ricardo Finol/Carlos Rios

Background: Like Robinson Cano, Navarro was widely discussed in trade talks in 2004. He entered the year as the organization's top prospect but struggled early, then recovered to earn promotions to Triple-A and New York. He singled off Toronto's David Bush for his first big league hit.

Strengths: Navarro has a compact swing that helps him make consistent hard contact from both sides of the plate. He's a gap-to-gap, line-drive hitter and isn't afraid to take a walk or work deep counts. A converted infielder, he has a strong throwing arm that helped him nab 33 percent of basestealers in 2004. His receiving skills are average.

Weaknesses: Navarro showed up at Double-A Trenton overconfident after his 58-game trial there in 2003, and his play suffered. An attempt to get stronger in the offseason backfired, as he came in overweight and lost some bat speed. He never has hit for much power, and his lack of conditioning made matters worse.

The Future: A strong finish helped Navarro salvage an otherwise uninspiring season, but he's clearly not ready for New York yet. He'll need at least another year and must re-establish himself as the heir to Jorge Posada.

2004 Club (Class) AVG OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
Trenton (AA) .271 .354 .369 255 32 69 14 1 3 29 33 44 1
Columbus (AAA) .250 .316 .360 136 18 34 8 2 1 16 14 17 1
New York (AL) .429 .429 .429 7 2 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

Eric Duncan, 3b
2. Robinson Cano, 2b
3. Philip Hughes, rhp
4. Steven White, rhp
5. Dioner Navarro, c
6. Christian Garcia, rhp
7. Marcos Vechionacci, inf
8. Melky Cabrera, of
9. Bronson Sardinha, 3b/of
10. Chien-Ming Wang, rhp

B. O. N. D. · Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject:

Hmmm... Yankees, A-Rod, the Big Unit (aka Randy Johnson), Wang... I think I'm getting the picture. Laughing

And Jeter rhymes with peter.
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