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 Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: Ryan Howard |
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| He hit a HR off of Josh Johnson, his 54th of the year. He's on pace for about 62-63 HR. If he passes 61, will it be more significant than what Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire did? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| It will be the quietest 62 HR's ever. No doubt he's having a great year. I loved seeing him hit in the AFL. He could always launch that thing. More significant? I'm thinking apples & oranges here. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| It's because he plays for the Phillies, nobody gives a fuck about them. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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i'm worried if he hits 61, he gets the mvp over beltran. beltran earned it. he carried the mets this season so many times.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| 62 or not, I think Beltran is going to have a hard time taking it from either Pujols or Howard. Beltran gets a boost because he's a CF and plays for the Mets but the Mets have plenty of other guys that had great seasons. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Two more homers for Howard tonight, 55 & 56, and he drove in all 3 runs in Phillies 3-2 win over Florida.
If Philly wins the W.C., and he hits over 60 homers....he is going to win the MVP, the writers won't be able to resist that, and sure as hell won't be looking at Win Shares and WARP |
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matt
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Team standings, HR, RBI, BA, and name recognition. Pretty much in that order. That is all the MVP voters care about. They could give a fuck about things like OBP, SLG, or any remotely obscure stat that tells more than those things.
Cy voters look at W, ERA, IP, K, name recognition, and team standings in that order. Right now I'm thinking that Carpenter wins the Cy. Webb had a chance but his last 5 outings have killed that. I'd like to see Webb win it but Carpenter probably deserves it more. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Piecoro had a ROY vote last year. He did a great article on why he voted for Howard. I couldn't find it in a 2 minute google search.
I hope Piecoro has a MVP vote this year and we get a similar article. Heck, Nick, even if you don't have a vote, write an article. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| matt wrote: |
Team standings, HR, RBI, BA, and name recognition. Pretty much in that order. That is all the MVP voters care about. They could give a fuck about things like OBP, SLG, or any remotely obscure stat that tells more than those things.
Cy voters look at W, ERA, IP, K, name recognition, and team standings in that order. Right now I'm thinking that Carpenter wins the Cy. Webb had a chance but his last 5 outings have killed that. I'd like to see Webb win it but Carpenter probably deserves it more. |
Webb still has a chance, but he has to finish very strong. Zambrano is hurt and has fallen by the wayside. Penny's ERA is too high. So indeed, it looks like Carpenter is the only competition left among starting pitchers. But Carpenter will only get 4 more starts in the regular season, not 5 like Webb, so the absolute best he can do is 17 wins, and of course he would have to WIN all 4.
Here are Webb's projected starts
9/9 vs. Sl. Louis
9/15 vs. Colorado
9/21 @ San Diego
9/26 @ San Francisco
10/1 vs. San Diego
He needs to get to at least 17 wins, (so he needs to win at least 3 starts) and he needs to get his ERA back under 3.00 If he can do that, he can win it.
If between Webb and Carpenter, neither guy can get to 17 wins, which I would view as a minimum threshold the voters can tolerate for the almighty win, then they will turn to a reliever. (Wagner, Hoffman, et al)
Although it would be nice for Webb and the D Backs to have something to celebrate, long term, it's probably better that he falls just short of the Cy Young, Just in case they want to extend him beyond the 2010 option they have on him, it will help keep him from getting "Ace" money 
The more you look at Webby's contract, the more you think he should fire his agent.
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4 years/$19.5M (2006-09), plus $8.5M 2010 club option
signed extension 1/06 (replacing final year & option of previous contract)
06:$2.5M, 07:$4.5M, 08:$5.5M, 09:$6.5M, 10:$8.5M club option ($0.5M buyout, which increases by $0.5M each time Webb finishes in the top 5 of Cy Young balloting, 2006-09)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| The more you look at Webby's contract, the more you think he should fire his agent. |
Yeah, the deal drastically underpays Webb for the next 3 yrs, plus the current season. The $8.5 is where he finally gets to what he's worth. There's a big difference between finishing in 2nd and winning the CY, so it would be to our benefit if he finishes second, although marketing the reigning Cy Young King all off-season might help season ticket sales.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| dirtygary wrote: |
| The $8.5 is where he finally gets to what he's worth. |
Not really, that year is his first FA year. If he ends up being a top 5 CYA finisher he would be in line for one of those 5yr/$80M deals. That $8.5M is about 60% of what he will be worth. Who negotiated that for the DBacks? Give that man a nice Christmas bonus!
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| After the many years of having the organization give away more than generous Christmas bonuses to PVs, it's great that they finally come out ahead on a deal. At the time, it was felt to be a good deal... but there's never a guarantee that such things come to pass--Webb sacrificed potentially more bucks in exchange for security. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| moviegeekjn wrote: |
| After the many years of having the organization give away more than generous Christmas bonuses to PVs, it's great that they finally come out ahead on a deal. At the time, it was felt to be a good deal... but there's never a guarantee that such things come to pass--Webb sacrificed potentially more bucks in exchange for security. |
There's nothing that stops a grateful management from giving a bonus above and beyond what is called for in the contract -- is there? (If there is, it has to be from the socialists in the Player's Association, and their input into the CBA...)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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i'd actually support that, EJ. i'd really hate for this to become something webb regrets, signing with AZ for that money. give the kid a bonus, he's more than earned it, and AZ has some budget freedom over the next few years.
it's totally worth it if webb considers signing with us again after his contract.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Bonuses and extra perks are all kosher. Just consult the lawyers (they need theirs as well) |
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matt
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| All they really would need to do is get a new contract before the option is excercised and work a signing bonus into it. |
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