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levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1725

anyhow, shoewiz, weren't you telling me recently you wanted to trade tracy for pennies and sign pedro feliz to be your third baseman of the future?

i'd much rather have beltre over feliz, that's for sure. i'd rather have the entire city of cancun fielding 3b for the dbacks than feliz, actually...

Dangerfield · Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:08 am Post subject:

Here's the plan....We trade, Vizcaino and Barden for DMac.
Now, back to trading Chad T to Bucs for Gorz.
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tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1161

Ok so I'm bored on a Saturday so I figured I'd look deeper into the comparison of Beltre vs Tracy.

First, in Tracy's defense:
1-In 2006 he had a better GIDBP at 2.2% vs Beltre's 2.9%
2-Over the last 3 years his SO/BB averages 1.98 vs Beltre's 2.68 <over last 2 years, I left his "outlier year out the analysis">
3-Tracy's OBP and OPS numbers are considerably better than Beltre (.350 vs .315 on OBP and .820 vs .755 OPS, again using averages for Tracy's last 3yrs and Beltre's last 2yrs)

Now, in Beltre's defens:
1-The park factors are totally diverse.
a- AZ was #1 in HR WA was #18
b- AZ was #3 in Hits WA was #30 <dead last>
c- AZ was #4 in Runs WA was #29
2-At bats per home run- Tracy averaged 36 AB per HR whereas Beltre averaged 28 AB per HR. <remembering park factors this is also a bit significant>
3-Beltre's defense much better than Tracy's
a- FPCT .968 vs .935
b- RF 3.04 vs 2.78
c- ZR .799 vs .774
4-Not that it is too significant but for 2006 Beltre had a Win Share of 19 vs Tracy's 14

kris · September Call-Up Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 75

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:53 am Post subject:

It's not easy to replace Tracy at this moment in time.

Barden is a good defender, but doesn't project to hit in the majors

Callaspo does not really have the power you want from a corner position. It's not like we have Ryan Howard over at first base to make up for it.

There are no other viable 3rd base candidates in the system, and no viable free agent options to replace him either.

There are only two conditions under which this would work:

If the D backs were able to trade for a viable 3rd base alternative, such as Ensberg, then it would be possible, but that isn't likely now as the trade chit we have, Eric Byrnes, isn't needed in Houston now that they have signed Lee.

Finally, if the D Backs DO trade with Pittsburgh, I think it better be for Gorzelanny, and not Duke or Maholm.

kris · September Call-Up Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 75

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1101

Uggla is probably a one in a thousand example.

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject:

Reynolds does not appear ready defensively to take over at 3rd base.

I do agree with others that Reynolds should be given the 3rd base job in Tucson and grab a position for his own to sink or swim

TSWINDERS · Journeyman Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 389

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Zephon · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject:

It would be stupid to trade Tracy this offseason, unless we're blown away by an offer. Do I really need to go over all the reasons?
FACTS:

1.) His trading value is probably at it's lowest.

2.) We have no prospects that could replace his offense. Callaspo can hit for average, and can definately handle the postion defensively, but he doesn't have enough power. Reynolds might be the real deal, but I don't think he'll be ready till midseason, at the earliest. Barden shouldn't even be in the discussion.

3.) We're not even sure who the real Chad Tracy is at this point. Is it the 2005 version? or the 2006 version? or somewhere in between?

If it's the 2005 version, we should keep him, it's simple. If it's the 2006 version, then yeah, maybe we should trade him. I think trading Tracy is definately a wait and see deal
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levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1725

If we could get Jose Bautista and some pitching (someone like Maholm or even Damaso Marte) for Tracy, I'd pull the trigger on that trade...

Zephon · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject:

That's about what I'd ask for Tracy. I'd want a at least one GOOD Pitching prospect, or two solid ones, along with a decent third base prospect.
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levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1725

Zephon · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject:

i'll admit that I don't know anything about jose bautista. Care to provide some linkage Lev?
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levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1725

Bautista lost a lot of developmental time when he got taken in the rule 5, but he's got potential. And pretty good power...

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/Jose-Bautista-2.shtml

I wouldn't trade Tracy for Bautista straight up, for sure, but if you get a pitcher like Maholm as well, I'd do it

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1101

All i know about Bautista is that he has only been in the league for 2-3 years, and he has been on like 4 teams - mostly due to rule 5 i think.

I think he came up as a 3B, but can play just about anywhere.

Quick bat, and not a great fielder... but has raw ability...

Zephon · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject:

Nothing really strikes me about his stats in paticular. Bautista+Maholm Or Gorz+another prospect.... I'd jump at... but I think we could get more for tracy midseason or during the next offseason, especially if Tracy rebounds.
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levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1725

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1161

If we traded Tracy & Byrnes we could afford to take on about 8MM of Beltre's salary, pending on what Seattle would want in return. Being a "ground ball" pitching club <or hopefully so> we could use some defense at 3B.

I also think his power numbers would greatly increase batting in the BOB.