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misterx
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 Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: Bonds signs SF Giants |
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| Barry Bonds and the Giants have reportedly agreed to terms on a one-year, $16 million contract. Source: Giants.mlb.co |
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foulpole
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Oh, it was Bonds and not B.O.N.D.
Glad to hear that B.O.N.D. is still on board with the D-Backs...
Brownies anyone???
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tmar
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| B.O.N.D. would have at least insisted on a 2 year deal. |
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B. O. N. D.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| tmar wrote: |
| B.O.N.D. would have at least insisted on a 2 year deal. |
Lol... don't forget my FBC (Full Brownie Clause).
I mean, $16M?  Bonds continues to hamstring the Gnats budget.
At least the Manny to SF possibilities are dead. Now, if we could only keep V-Wells from LA I'll feel a whole lot better about the West in 2007.
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Levski and I were talking about this yesterday, and while the prospect of the Dodgers getting Wells makes me nervous in the short term, (i.e. so much for 2007), there are some long term benefits
For example
1.) Getting Wells would cost the Dodgers not only Penny, but also at least one good prospect, (i.e. Ethier or Kemp).
2.) Getting Schmidt and losing Penny is almost a lateral move production wise, but for alot more money.
3.) If the Dodgers fail to extend Wells, they lose him after 2007, and would have of course also lost a good young player or two, hurting them down the road.
4.) The Dodgers getting Wells might put Josh in a position to go to ownership and say :
"Look, we are just not going to win the division this year and it won't be that close, so lets pull a "Florida Marlins" and do this rebuild all the way, so that by 2008 we are seriously ready to kick some ass."
Just a thought. |
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tmar
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| On point 4, what did you have in mind if we were to go into a 1 year rebuild mode <outside of the obviouse, Byrnes>? |
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B. O. N. D.
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Ran across this. All hope is not lost. Though Shoe's perspective is also interesting. I'd still prefer him not to go to LA.
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Vernon Wells-OF- Blue Jays Dec. 8 - 3:28 pm et
The Blue Jays will consider trading Vernon Wells if they can't lock him up to a contract extension sometime around Jan. 1.
"We didn't discuss a drop-dead date on this, but that's probably a realistic timeframe," president Paul Godfrey said on Friday. "That's a very reasonable timeframe to find out if we can or if we can't." GM J.P. Ricciardi should feel pretty silly now saying he had no intention of giving Carlos Beltran-type money to Wells. The Jays would now be very fortunate to lock him up for anything close to $119 million over seven years. Wells should be in line for about $20 million per year as a free agent.
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| On point 4, what did you have in mind if we were to go into a 1 year rebuild mode <outside of the obviouse, Byrnes>? |
Forget about trying to trade for another "proven starter" and go with the kids we have in the 4 & 5 spots, and see who develops.
Of course I would try to trade Byrnes for pitching prospect(s)
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B. O. N. D.
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Well, it looks like NYY signed Pettite... and looks like they're going to try and dump Pavano's contract.
Didn't Levski mention taking a flyer on him with NYY eating most of the contract?
I guess you can tell how much we give a shit about Barry by the direction this thread has taken.
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tmar
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If I were to totally write off 2007, I'd likely trade Hernandez.
First, it would give us the ability to look at 3 pitching prospects to better understand what we have going for us in 2008 <not to mention 7MM>.
Second, in this market it would bring back a nice bounty of prospects. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| B. O. N. D. wrote: |
| I guess you can tell how much we give a shit about Barry by the direction this thread has taken. |
Barry who?
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EvilJuan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| tmar wrote: |
If I were to totally write off 2007, I'd likely trade Hernandez.
First, it would give us the ability to look at 3 pitching prospects to better understand what we have going for us in 2008 <not to mention 7MM>.
Second, in this market it would bring back a nice bounty of prospects. |
This sounds good to me (along with trading Byrnes).
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| never fails the trade eb post no matter the topic |
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EvilJuan
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| misterx wrote: |
| never fails the trade eb post no matter the topic |
Marcus Portius Cato (the Elder) is alive and well and rooting for the Diamondbacks... 
... and he thinks Eric Byrnes should be traded ASAP.
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TAP
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| EvilJuan wrote: |
| misterx wrote: |
| never fails the trade eb post no matter the topic |
Marcus Portius Cato (the Elder) is alive and well and rooting for the Diamondbacks...
... and he thinks Eric Byrnes should be traded ASAP.
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Our very own Marcus, stoic and tenacious.
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THE DEAL MAY BE OFF
Although Bonds has, reportedly, made concessions regarding his "entourage," which the Giants want excluded from the clubhouse, there is a report that the Giants are looking for a way to not complete the one year, $16M contract with Bonds for 2007.
Stay tuned... <cue soap opera music>
Eric Byrnes MUST be traded...
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Apparently the deal may be finalized soon <yawn>.
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Bonds traveled to the Bay Area from his home in Beverly Hills, Calif., for the physical. If the 42-year-old star and his oft-injured knees check out OK, he'll sign a one-year deal for $15.8 million.
He can earn another $4.2 million in performance bonuses based on how much he plays. If he matches last year's effort - 493 plate appearances, 130 games - he'll get the whole amount.
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So if he plays 130 games and has 493 plate appearances he will make 20MM next year. Hopefully he does so with a .220 AVG, 5 HR and complains the whole time.
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| foulpole wrote: |
Oh, it was Bonds and not B.O.N.D.
Glad to hear that B.O.N.D. is still on board with the D-Backs...
Brownies anyone???
Oh man why did you have to mention food? For dinner I had a "TV Dinner" with something that was represented as being beef, but I would be surprised if it ever uttered even a single Moo in it's entire pre consumable exsistance... Hell yes I want a brownie.. better yet a nice ice cream cone dipped in choclet and covered in nuts and a little caramel would be nice too.
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Per ESPN the deal is done.
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| The San Francisco Chronicle reported that as part of Bonds' agreement, his personal trainers will be barred from the Giants' clubhouse. The Giants also will be protected if Bonds misses time because of the BALCO case, the newspaper reported. |
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| Ken Rosenthal today wrote: |
Sing along with Barry ...
Lone-ly, I'm so lone-ly.
I have nobody.
To call my own.
Congratulations to Akon, the Senegalese hip-hop star. His reprise of the old Bobby Vinton hit, Mr. Lonely, should be the official theme song of Bonds' countdown to 755.
What, no posse? Say it ain't so!
Those mean Giants.
No man is an island, but Bonds suddenly is as isolated as Madagascar.
Or — gasp — Britney Spears.
Bonds' trainers, Harvey Shields and Greg "Sweets" Oliver, no longer will be on the Giants' payroll, a move that effectively bans them from the clubhouse, two baseball officials told the Associated Press.
Bonds' teammates, meanwhile, might be just a tad leery of The Flaxseed Kid, seeing as how he reportedly attributed his positive test for amphetamines last season to a substance he had taken from Mark Sweeney's locker.
Then there are Giants' fans, many of whom have gone from blind supporters of Bonds to weary skeptics who criticized the team for seemingly bidding against itself in awarding Bonds a one-year, $15.8 million contract.
Oh, and let's not forget the baseball establishment, which would rather lower ticket prices, put games on free TV and reinstate Pete Rose than plan the celebration of Bonds' march to Hank Aaron's all-time home-run mark.
C'mon, Bud, link arms with Hammerin' Hank and join the chorus!
Lone-ly.
He's so lone-ly.
He has nobody to call his own.
Well, Bonds presumably gets to keep his clubhouse lounge chair, but the Giants might have taken that away, too, seeing as how they're suddenly talking tough and announcing that they're all about team.
LOL.
Wait, this gets better.
"Baseball fans around the world owe Barry Bonds a debt of gratitude for being lucky enough to watch him play," Bonds' agent, Jeff Borris, told ESPN.com.
LOLOLOL!
We'll cut Borris a break — he faces the impossible task of spinning the unspinnable. But really, there's only one proper reaction to the agent's remarks.
Bow down, serfs!
Get ready for a full season of such lunacy — and maybe more. Bonds, in a conference call Monday night, joked that he might "stay until I'm 100." He said he certainly plans to return in 2008 if he does not hit the 22 homers he needs to break Aaron's record this season.
Of course, Bonds often plays best when he's in a me-against-the-world posture, so he should pass Aaron by oh, about April 15.
If he's Mr. Lonely, he sure sounded like Mr. Happy during his conference call, dismissing the delay of nearly two months in finalizing his contract by saying, "I'm just glad to be on the team."
Sigh.
Bonds' deal took almost as long to complete as the Treaty of Versailles, given the complex language concerning his conduct, his personal trainers, his potential legal problems — everything short of his choice of deodorant, which come to think of it, probably should be tested.
"I was on a skiing vacation," Bonds told reporters, chuckling. "It didn't take any time. It's normal procedure."
You know, like BALCO. Or an amphetamines test.
Bonds said he had "no problem" with the team banning his trainers, who will continue working for him off-site. He said his knee and elbow feel "great." When asked how many homeruns he will hit this season, he cracked, "As many strikes as I can get this year, how's that?"
Cue up the laugh track. Cue up Mr. Lonely.
Sing along with Barry, cry along with Bud. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Bond's contract rejected by MLB.
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| Complicating matters, the version of Bonds' contract that was sent to the commissioner's office by the Giants was not approved, Bonds' agent, Jeff Borris, said late Tuesday. Borris said the team was redrafting the agreement to address the provisions in question and sending him a revised version by express mail for Bonds to review and sign. Borris wouldn't specify what was at issue. |
Hopefully the revised version gets rejected as well.
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| It's about time that the Gnats FO amputated the Frankenbonds entourage. It's hard to believe that the org tolerated it as long as they did. |
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TAP
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Uh-oh...Barry's feelers got a boo-boo. 
| Murray Chass of The New York Times wrote: |
It would seem that a player would be delighted if the commissioner’s office struck from a contract he signed a clause that benefited the club and not the player. That’s what happened with the contract that Barry Bonds signed Monday with the San Francisco Giants.
But is Bonds happy? No, he is not.
That’s why he has refused to sign the altered contract the Giants sent to him two days later that didn’t have the clause, which dealt with promotional appearances. People on both sides of the issue said yesterday that Bonds wanted the Giants to do something about another contract clause because he was unhappy it became public knowledge.
That provision is the indictment clause, which would allow the Giants to terminate the $15.8 million contract if Bonds were indicted on charges stemming from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroid distribution case. Jeff Borris, Bonds’s agent, declined to say if or when he thought Bonds would sign the altered contract.
Lawyers hold different opinions on whether the original contract, minus the provision removed by the commissioner’s office, was an effective document. The commissioner’s office took out a clause that dealt with promotional activities because, in its specificity, it went beyond the collective-bargaining agreement that deals generally with a player’s activities for a team.
Bonds had reluctantly agreed to the Giants’ provision, which spelled out the appearances they expected him to make, and its elimination left him better off than when he signed the contract. That alteration did not disturb Bonds. In fact, it should have pleased him. How often does the commissioner’s office agree with the union about a contract clause that benefits a club?
But the contract also included the indictment clause, and the commissioner’s office wasn’t striking that. Bonds understood what the clause meant when he agreed to it, and he accepted it when he signed the contract. Whether the clause could withstand a union challenge if Bonds were indicted is another matter.
What Bonds really didn’t like was that the indictment clause became public after he signed off on it.
The clause became public because somebody read it to The Associated Press. Contract language is no more sacred than contract terms. Had the promotional provision not existed, the contract would have been a fait accompli and Bonds could not try to do anything about the indictment clause. What he wants to do is soften the contract language or alter it in some way to make it appear that the Giants backed down.
It’s highly unlikely that he will be able to persuade the Giants to do anything. They have a contract with Bonds’s signature that includes the indictment clause they want.
The Bonds affair has been a nightmare for the Giants. Before they initiated negotiations with him last fall, they agonized over whether they wanted to sign him for a 15th season, even one in which he is very likely to set the career home run record. Then it took nearly two months to complete the contract once the sides agreed to financial terms.
And a report that Bonds tested positive for amphetamines in 2006 stirred enough negative reaction among fans who had loved Bonds that Peter Magowan, the club’s managing partner, felt compelled to explain in an e-mail message to 27,000 season-ticket holders why the Giants signed Bonds.
“This decision was not taken lightly, and we spent significant time evaluating all of the elements and circumstances surrounding the negotiations before we made a final determination to move forward,” Magowan wrote Monday.
He referred to the amphetamines report and alluded to the part that said Bonds had said he got them from a teammate, Mark Sweeney.
“Based on the information that we have at hand in this matter and in discussions with both players, all of the facts have not been accurately portrayed,” Magowan wrote. “After evaluating the situation and its potential impact on clubhouse chemistry, we came to the conclusion that the Giants’ players will be able to function as a team committed to supporting each other and dedicated to doing everything they can to succeed on the playing field.”
Magowan explained that by signing Bonds, the Giants did not have to trade good young pitchers for a hitter to replace him and that the team’s decisions made it possible to sign Barry Zito, who will be the Giants’ No. 1 starting pitcher.
But the Giants could become tired of Bonds’s stance on the contract and say never mind. Then Magowan could write another e-mail message. |
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James Thurber wrote a short story (the title of which eludes me right now, but it might have been The Greatest Man in the World) about the first man to fly around the world. In response, the world was ready to offer the flyer accolades and praise as a great hero; but when the most important dignitaries went to meet him, they found him to be such an obnoxious, money-grubbing scoundrel that they ultimately pushed him out of the window of his hotel room -- and spoke glowingly about his heroism and self-sacrifice at his funeral. (His mother, knew otherwise...)
Barry should probably stay away from hotel windows...
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| If only Byrnes were a little older maybe we could send him to the Giants. |
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