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EvilJuan
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 Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: Bonds Homers to Tie Mays on All-time RBI List |
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Home Run #724 brings Bonds to 1,903 RBI
Bonds is tied with Mays for 7th all-time; 9th if Cap Anson and Ty Cobb are included - whose RBI totals include data from prior to 1920, when the RBI became an official statistic.
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EvilJuan
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Hey, I don't write the news - I just report it... 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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The record books will look like this one day:
Barry "Mr. *" Bonds |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, I don't write the news - I just report it... |
But.... IS it news.. if noone outside the Bay area gives a flip?
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But is it news worthy? ESPN today ran a banner for the better part of the afternoon.
BREAKING NEWS - T.O. practices
Sports reporting is really over the top at times. |
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Well, I think it's news. Not good news, mind you.. But it's a part of the baseball record, and it's part of baseball history.
This is not cheering for Bonds; who I booed as loudly as anyone during the last home stand. But it is part of baseball...
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| I suppose until he either admits using steriods (not cream) or other performance enhancing substances we have to accept it. Oneday though, the truth will come. Should those reporters have to testify. I say hell yeah. |
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| Should those reporters have to testify. I say hell yeah. |
Journalism ethics at stake--if reporters promise anonymity to a source in exchange for information, it goes completely against their code. Revealing who gave out grand jury testimony isn't exactly a life threatening or national security issue.
If a journalist's promise could not be trusted, then the story wouldn't have broken at all... or at least would have had a great deal more ambiguity and loose ends than what they were able to put together otherwise.
Besides, if you read their book... it's pretty evident that Victor Conti is the blabbermouth.
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| Should those reporters have to testify. I say hell yeah. |
Journalism ethics at stake--if reporters promise anonymity to a source in exchange for information, it goes completely against their code. Revealing who gave out grand jury testimony isn't exactly a life threatening or national security issue.
If a journalist's promise could not be trusted, then the story wouldn't have broken at all... or at least would have had a great deal more ambiguity and loose ends than what they were able to put together otherwise.
Besides, if you read their book... it's pretty evident that Victor Conti is the blabbermouth.
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After all this time, Victor still isn't able to shut his mouth.
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| moviegeekjn wrote: |
| Journalism ethics at stake... |
Supreme court already ruled many years ago that reporters are not protected if they know of criminal activity. The 'selective' ethics of the press doesn't sit well with me.
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| Journalism ethics at stake... |
Supreme court already ruled many years ago that reporters are not protected if they know of criminal activity.
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Leaking grand jury testimony won't be seen as severe enough by the journalists nor the SF Chronicle to violate their promise of anonymity.
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| moviegeekjn wrote: |
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| Journalism ethics at stake... |
Supreme court already ruled many years ago that reporters are not protected if they know of criminal activity.
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Leaking grand jury testimony won't be seen as severe enough by the journalists nor the SF Chronicle to violate their promise of anonymity.
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Which is really unfortunate, as one of the hallmarks of the grand jury system is supposed to be the secrecy of the testimony.
While it's true, as moviegeekjn wrote, that
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| Revealing who gave out grand jury testimony isn't exactly a life threatening or national security issue |
making these revelations is both against the law and an undermining of the grand jury process -- apparently, in this case, to benefit the reporters involved, and their newspaper/publisher.
It doesn't matter, on one level, whether the allegations against Bonds (or anyone else) are true or false; there should be some action taken against those who have violated the secrecy of the grand jury.
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It doesn't matter, on one level, whether the allegations against Bonds (or anyone else) are true or false; there should be some action taken against those who have violated the secrecy of the grand jury. |
The reporters are taking a stand and have said that they are perfectly willing to suffer the consequences and do jail time.
Anyone with two brain cells already can figure out that Victor Conti is the primary source of the leak, but don't expect the journalists to give up his name. Victor is such a self promoter and incessant talker that he may spill the beans before his journalist confidants go to prison.
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| moviegeekjn wrote: |
| EvilJuan wrote: |
It doesn't matter, on one level, whether the allegations against Bonds (or anyone else) are true or false; there should be some action taken against those who have violated the secrecy of the grand jury. |
The reporters are taking a stand and have said that they are perfectly willing to suffer the consequences and do jail time.
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And that's the way it should be, if you ask me.
I come from a newspaper family. I respect the reporter's decision to protect their source(s); as long as they are willing to accept the consequences of their actions, even when the law has been broken.
On the other hand, if you or I were the subject of a grand jury investigation, I doubt either one of us would appreciate having any portion of the testimony made public. (This isn't about accusing or defending Barry Bonds, btw: I'm speaking from a concern about preserving the integrity of the grand jury system.)
We walk a fine line here. It's important for there to be some public presence in the grand jury system, so as to prevent (as much as possible) a return to the "Star Chamber" system of accusation and indictment. Yet it is not appropriate for potentially damaging allegations to be made public as a result of a grand jury procedure. The information should be kept until the grand jury has determined that an indictment should be made. The proper place for the information to be revealed is in a court of law -- not in a newspaper (or other medium) prior to such court convening.
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An interesting follow-up at the MLB site this morning:
Giambi curious about grand jury leak
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| "Everybody wants to know," Giambi said. "When we were brought in there, we had to talk about our situation that we went through. People want to know the same thing now, because these laws are what our country is based on. However they obtained it, it was illegal." |
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I'm with EJ. I fully respect a reporter's right to protect a source that legally leaks information but leaking grand jury testimony is just wrong. They are not trials. IIRC, they are held to determine if there is enough evidence to warrant a trial. Grand juries are stacked against defendants because they are not allowed to present any evidence on their behalf.
The government needs to crack down HARD on those who leak gj testimony. Those people need to spend time in a PMITA prison. It undermines the legal process. |
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