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 Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: Tracy is on the Trading Block |
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Sorry if this is posted elsewhere:
From rotoworld.com:
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Chad Tracy-3B-Diamondbacks Dec. 4 - 2:31 pm et
With their eyes on trying to upgrade their pitching, the Diamondbacks have reportedly tried to interest the Angels in Chad Tracy.
Ervin Santana for Tracy would be a great trade for the Diamondbacks, but it's likely the Angels want someone with more power at the hot corner.
Source: Yahoo! Sports |
Confidence in... Reynolds? Callaspo? Another aquisition (doesn't make sense financially)?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy thought: perhaps move Upton to 3B since we have Young? Granted, he won't be up this year, but after all, he did sign as a SS...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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I wanted to trade Tracy this off-season as the season was winding down. I changed my mind, because our alternatives at 3rd are not good enough, IMO. If they can come out of the deal with a better option (McPherson or another), I'd be fine with it.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if they are trying to swing some kind of deal with the Astros for Morgan Ensberg (assuming Tracy really is on the block) ....but the Astros need most what we are after, Pitching.
Rotoworld had this on ensberg:
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Astros GM Tim Purpura said he hasn't decided what to go about his third base situation.
The Astros still have both Morgan Ensberg and Mike Lamb on the roster, and they haven't ruled out re-signing Aubrey Huff, though they won't give him the four-year, $30 million-plus deal he's searching for. "We're obviously going to continue to look at the third base situation and see where we go there," Purpura said. "Some of that will be impacted by the starting pitching situation because of the financial piece of it. The question is do we carry both Lamb and Ensberg and add another starting pitcher? That will be a challenge for us." An Ensberg trade remains likely. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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True, Shoe. Angels/Astros line up better than AZ does, I'd think.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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yeah....they do line up better.
I was actually trying to think of how the d backs could line upwith Houston and get Ensberg, and still get Santana for Tracy |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Upton in 2007??? No way... Future 3b? Interesting. What does that do to his value, though? It would solve the glut of hot OF prospects, leaving C-Gonz LF, or whatever... still.
It's got to be Callaspo. Upgrade at defense, downgrade in power, upgrade in OBP?
Or Reynolds... who could be a push in everything? Didn't someone do a comparison of Reynolds/Tracy? Man, Reynolds hasn't even seen AAA yet!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Could send some of our pitching per the other thread to HOU for Ensberg.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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justin upton at 3b is a waste of talent. and emphasis on his only glaring weakness
i'm not surprised to see Tracy shopped around. i'd love to see a "blockbuster" trade of Tracy and Byrnes (plus spare part or two) to the pirates for freddy sanchez, one of their lefties (maybe maholm? or even marte) and mclouth
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Reynolds isn't ready, and I don't think they will just hand 3b to callaspo.
Houston has some pretty good young pitching prospects....I think if they want pitching for ensberg....it's got to be "major league ready"
BTW, Ensberg made 3.8 million last year, and is a FA after 2008.
He also turned 31 this past august. Just some things to consider. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Tracy is very good player with a lot of potential. His fielding is a little weak, but I'm not convinced the Dbacks really want to trade him all that much. I suspect it's more the case that in order to get the kind of pitching help they want, the Diamondbacks are going to have to give up some very good players in return.  |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| shoewizard wrote: |
| Houston has some pretty good young pitching prospects....I think if they want pitching for ensberg....it's got to be "major league ready" |
Juan Cruz?
I'm not saying they would or should.
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| shoewizard wrote: |
Reynolds isn't ready, and I don't think they will just hand 3b to callaspo.
Houston has some pretty good young pitching prospects....I think if they want pitching for ensberg....it's got to be "major league ready"
BTW, Ensberg made 3.8 million last year, and is a FA after 2008.
He also turned 31 this past august. Just some things to consider. |
rotoworld is reporting some relievers being offered for ensberg. i think the astros would want young starting pitching back.
if we can move tracy (say, to the pirates who are looknig for a cheap young first baseman) for pitching, i think the dbacks could be very wise to see what they can send to houston for ensberg.
i've always liked morgan. he has power, he can draw walks, and he can really pick it with the leather. and he'll be quite cheap in trades...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Oden wrote: |
| I wanted to trade Tracy this off-season as the season was winding down. I changed my mind, because our alternatives at 3rd are not good enough, IMO. If they can come out of the deal with a better option (McPherson or another), I'd be fine with it. |
Very interesting. How about Tracy/Nippert for Santana/McPherson? Too much or too little? The Angels have a thing for relief pitching, so maybe we could throw in Julio.
I love Santana's future, I've seen him pitch live a few times and have always come away impressed. To have him locked into our rotation for the next few seasons is a fun thought.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Tracy/Nippert for just Santana is closer to relaity, but still not there yet. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| stu wrote: |
| I think Tracy/Nippert for just Santana is closer to relaity, but still not there yet. |
I agree. I'd love to take a flyer on McPherson though. If the Angels were to acquire a 3B they'd have Kendry Maroles/Casey Kotchman/McPherson clogging up the 1B/backup 3B/DH roles (along with Garrett Anderson's days offs and rehab DH ABs). So I'm sure there'd be some willingness to discuss McP in the same deal. He's not someone I'd overpay to acquire though...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Why McPherson? The dude is the same age as Tracy and hasn't been able to hold a .300 OBP in the majors. His K/BB at the MLB is scary also. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| matt wrote: |
| Why McPherson? The dude is the same age as Tracy and hasn't been able to hold a .300 OBP in the majors. His K/BB at the MLB is scary also. |
I doubt JByrnes has ANY interest in McPh at all. The guy will be a washout
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| matt wrote: |
| Why McPherson? The dude is the same age as Tracy and hasn't been able to hold a .300 OBP in the majors. His K/BB at the MLB is scary also. |
Because he's shown serious power at pretty much every level. He's worth taking a flyer on, not giving up serious talent for.
I think Tracy is the better player, just talking in context of a Tracy/Santana swap.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Aaron wrote: |
| matt wrote: |
| Why McPherson? The dude is the same age as Tracy and hasn't been able to hold a .300 OBP in the majors. His K/BB at the MLB is scary also. |
Because he's shown serious power at pretty much every level. He's worth taking a flyer on, not giving up serious talent for.
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He's got Russell Branyan written all over him. If he can stay healthy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
| He's got Russell Branyan written all over him. If he can stay healthy |
Exactly. For as cheap as McPherson is the next few seasons that's not a bad baseline with the hopes for some upside.
I'm not obsessed with the dude, just thought he'd make a nice addition if a Santana deal could be reached (highly dubious, I realize). Worst case scenario he backs up the 3B/1B spots. Best case is he figures things out and becomes a solid regular.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Aaron wrote: |
| levski wrote: |
| He's got Russell Branyan written all over him. If he can stay healthy |
Exactly. For as cheap as McPherson is the next few seasons that's not a bad baseline with the hopes for some upside.
I'm not obsessed with the dude, just thought he'd make a nice addition if a Santana deal could be reached (highly dubious, I realize). Worst case scenario he backs up the 3B/1B spots. Best case is he figures things out and becomes a solid regular.
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If you can get Santana for Tracy, I'd take on anyone else, regardless of whether his ceiling is Russ Branyan. It ain't happening tho...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: In the Angels' Side |
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They're danggling Joe Saunders and Chone Figgins as a trading chip to go along with Ervin Santana according to their board and they really want Chad Tracy. Definitely do this trade.
1) Brandon Webb
2) Livan Hernandez
3) Mark Mulder
4) Ervin Santana
5) Doug Davis
These 5 sounds mighty good to carry us to the World Series championsip for years to come.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I was thinking Tracy/Nippert/Julio for the duo. Probably not realistic. We'll see. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Why would a team trade a 16 game winner making 350k for Chad Tracy? I like to dream like the rest of you, but I don't see this. Santana would easily get 4/40 in todays market if he were a free agent.
Is there something I'm not seeing? |
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