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levski
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 Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: Random A$$ S. Green Speculation |
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I know we've got a long thread on Green, but it's so difficult to navitage thru there anymore. So why not start a brand new thread on him?
The reason? Your very friendly post-concussion syndrome!
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cardinals-edmonds&prov=ap&type=lgns
Hmmm. Koskie of the Brew-Crew had that, and he hasn't played since being diagnosed. I wonder if this means the end of the season for Edmonds. It's a shame he got Steve Younged. Which brings me to the random speculation.
The Cards played JEncarnacion in CF, and THE Timo Perez in RF. We all know that Timo is the second coming of Clemente, but on the days he needs to rest, do you think the Cards could use SGreen in RF? Anyone? Anyone?
Sucks for Edmonds but this could be good news for AZ... |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cards are struggling mightily and they may be willing to try something to shake it up. They are going through our June. |
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levski
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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struggling is an undestatement. the cards suck right now.
they have scored fewer runs than az and have worse team era. pujols hasn't been the same since coming back from the DL, and rolen has been just ok. take edmonds out of their lineup, and you've got a lot of gaping holes. that lineup is not so taguchi... |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see Shawn Green in the Cards. They aren't likely to be desperate enough by the end of August to actively pursue him--they will also have John Rodriguez coming off the DL soon. When he comes off the list, Timo goes down (unless further tests establish that Edmonds is no longer day to day)
Encarnacion and Chris Duncan will be everyday with Encarnacion filling in at CF when So Taguchi isn't in the lineup. They will hope for Edmonds while getting by with what they have. |
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moviegeekjn
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
struggling is an undestatement. the cards suck right now.
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True that... and it's not just the offense. Too many holes in the pitching staff as well. Don't think they'll see Shawn Green as the solution for their many woes.
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levski
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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while getting by with what they have.
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uh, mg, news flash: they don't have anything. duncan has hit well in 150 at bats, but you cannot seriously think he's actually this good. and j. rodriguez was bad when he went on the DL. he'll be just as bad when he comes back.
which is not to say STL will want Green, or trade for him. but the cards OF is a mess. a few of general custer's soldiers could do better right now...
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
which is not to say STL will want Green, or trade for him. but the cards OF is a mess. a few of general custer's soldiers could do better right now... |
Of course the Cards OF is like a pile of vomit, but I don't expect them to leap at Shawn Green as a solution... He would just be another projectile in in the mess.
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levski
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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btw, jocketty has been very successful at dragging a random guy off the waiver wire and larussa has done well optimizing his lineups, but the cards are just low on real talent right now. and i have to add that pujols and rolen are doing better than i thought they were... it's just that the rest of team is living on a prayer...
and they don't even have the best encarnacion in the nl central  |
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moviegeekjn
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
and they don't even have the best encarnacion in the nl central |
Yep.. that other @$#$ encarnacion destroyed them tonight! 
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| Compare the trade activity of the Reds prior to the deadline and you can tell the Cards probably figured they had enough to take the Central. Doesn't look that way anymore and they may be looking to trade. Would the Reds block? Does Green have any buddies on the Cards like he does on the Mets? |
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levski
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Uh, the Reds cannot block. Green has already cleared waivers...
And Green would most likely AGREE ( > 90% sure) go to the Cardinals...
Me like that other Encarnacion. It would be a shame if the Dbacks have to knock out the Cards for the wild card... |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Compare the trade activity of the Reds prior to the deadline and you can tell the Cards probably figured they had enough to take the Central. |
Not that simple. They pursued a few paths, but they weren't able to land anyone that they felt would help (similar to the non-activity of the Dbacks). While corner OF (along with pitching) were both widely publicized in the St. Louis media as areas they were looking to strengthen, there wasn't anyone available that suited them... and their budget restrictions. Green's name was brought up but not seriously pursued... though it sounds like they had more serious talks about him with the Dbacks during the past off season.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
| Uh, the Reds cannot block. Green has already cleared waivers... |
You are right as usual, I was thinking of the 47 hour window, but that is when they are first placed on waivers.
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moviegeekjn
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
Me like that other Encarnacion. It would be a shame if the Dbacks have to knock out the Cards for the wild card... |
It may well come to that... wouldn't be a surprise. The Cards are playing horrible ball, only propped up by Pujols and Rolen. Carpenter is by far their best starter but he's been VERY inconsistent... and Isringhausen makes fans sweat through 9th innings like a highlight reel of the scariest Kim/Mantei moments.
Teamwise, the Dbacks have been playing better overall baseball than the Cards have the past few weeks.
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the cards are getting mulder back... whether that's a good thing is another issue. it does appear thought that reyes may get shafted back to aaa. he really has a bad case of homeritis all of a suddent, which is surprising....
the nl will be a lot of fun to watch over the next six weeks... |
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| it does appear thought that reyes may get shafted back to aaa. he really has a bad case of homeritis all of a suddent, which is surprising.... |
It's been disappointing since he looked really good when he first came up. Giving up homers seems to have made him gunshy; he seems much more tentative than the earlier starts--trying to nibble off the plate more and not challenge guys with his best stuff. Of course, he gets behind in the count too much and gets bombed.
I still imagine that TLR will tell Jockerty that they'll "be alright" and stand pretty pat with what they have.... hoping for a series of miracles, like a healthy Mulder, a healthy Edmonds finally, and that Issy gets his act together. Expect them to overhaul more in the off-season than desperately seek Green as a solution.
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| levski wrote: |
| btw, jocketty has been very successful at dragging a random guy off the waiver wire and larussa has done well optimizing his lineups |
They test for that stuff now.
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HERE is an article that looks at this situation from the Cardinals perspective. Green gets a mention...but it does not seem very likely.
Meanwhile, from Newsday today
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| Arizona outfielder Shawn Green did not start Monday or Tuesday, adding to the speculation that a trade to the Mets is in the works, but he was in the lineup against Colorado on Wednesday. Assuming Green is willing to waive his no-trade clause, the Mets are interested, but they are still debating internally whether they need an extra outfielder. Any deal for Green would involve the Diamondbacks assuming a significant part of the $11.5 million Green is owed for the rest of his contract. |
The highlighted portion to me indicates that Willie Randolph does not want Green. He has hinted as much in his other comments....seems like Randolph and whoever else is on his side are trying to talk Omar out of this idea. I'm not liking Willie Randolph very much at the moment. 
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Maybe Minaya will remind Randolph that a lot of those other players the Mave have that are doing well were his idea, too.
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Preston Wilson's signing with STL basically eliminates any chance that Green would go to STL, even if that chance was non-existent to begin with...
Btw, the Cards did demote Reyes to the minors. LaRussa is teh suck
If Floyd doesn't come back by Aug. 31, there is a small chance that Green ends up in NY. Otherwise, shoewiz will have to hold out hope that he hits 30 homers and drives in 100 rbi as our left fielder next year... |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
| Btw, the Cards did demote Reyes to the minors. LaRussa is teh suck |
TLR/Duncan have better track records refurbishing old broken down pitchers (Jeff Weaver is the current project), so Reyes can come back to them in another ten years after a couple of TJ surgeries... or maybe sooner after TLR is out of St. L.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
| If Floyd doesn't come back by Aug. 31, there is a small chance that Green ends up in NY. Otherwise, shoewiz will have to hold out hope that he hits 30 homers and drives in 100 rbi as our left fielder next year... |
Well, they better make up their minds, because if they don't get Green before September, they'll be playing in the playoffs without him.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| uh, that was the point of the Aug. 31 mentioning in my post, you know... |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| levski wrote: |
| If Floyd doesn't come back by Aug. 31, there is a small chance that Green ends up in NY. Otherwise, shoewiz will have to hold out hope that he hits 30 homers and drives in 100 rbi as our left fielder next year... |
Well, they better make up their minds, because if they don't get Green before September, they'll be playing in the playoffs without him.
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Isn't the 31st the deadline for being available for the playoff rosters?
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| Isn't the 31st the deadline for being available for the playoff rosters? |
Yes. Players added after that point are ineligible for the playoffs.
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