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Sam/DMD · AAA Stud Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 61

You have to give it to Gonzo, he was 0 for 7 until the 18th inning to be the one who drove in the winning run. Man, he sure got the knack of making his presence known in a few of the most dramatic moments of this team's history.

Now, I'm starting to think that even though none of us want to see him here again next year, his option probably will be picked up. Hopefully, it'll be at a lesser price and he'll agree to be a platoon player if it's good for the team.
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qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

i really doubt his option will be picked up... although if green is traded, i could see them bringing him back for a year... at a lower price..

Oden · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:49 am Post subject:

There is zero chance of his option being picked up. Zero. It's the club's option, not his. That doesn't mean they can't sign him at a reduced price, which is a very real possibility if they can get rid of Green. They have a number of other options (I think they're better options), but it's still possible Gonzo is back here next year. But there's zero chance it'll be for his $10M option.

Robb · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:03 am Post subject:

matt · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:24 am Post subject:

I don't have a problem with one of the two remaining. I do have a problem with both staying. Also, if Gonzo were to stay, he needs to fully understand that he should have no expectations to play every day. I don't want him holding press conferences every time Melvin starts someone else.

dirtygary · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:44 am Post subject:

Yeah, not a chance in hell the option is being picked up. If we can move Green - to the Mets, maybe - then maybe we bring Gonzo back at a sevriously reduced rate to be a backup. But no other circumstances allow him back.
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shoewizard · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:48 am Post subject:

Josh Byrnes said point blank on TV about 3-4 weeks ago that if Gonzo is brought back next year, it will be to play every day, not platoon or be in a bench role. Gonzo has also said repeatedly he will not accept a platoon or bench role on this team, now or next year.

So the Byrnes AND Gonzo have both made it clear. If Gonzo is back next year, it will be to start and play LF everyday.

You can all do the math.
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moviegeekjn · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:52 am Post subject:

If Gonzo maintains his "not an option" stance to the idea of part time duty, no chance in Hell of him coming back. The Dbacks are NOT going to pick up the option. and will give him a low ball offer at best.

If Gonzo thinks he's going to get a better offer elsewhere, he'll be asking for the same treatment and demand that Royce Clayton got; of course, Royce eventually lucked out with an full time slot. Gonzo likely won't be as lucky, since it's hard to imagine another MLB team seeking an aging league average OF without a throwing arm.

Oden · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:56 am Post subject:

That's the thing about Gonzo. He can't back up any position except LF. He's a DH if he's not a LF'er at this point.

Oden · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:58 am Post subject:

We need another Gonzo thread here like we need holes in our collective head, but since it's here.... Gonzo's OPS by month:

Apr - .876
May - .762
June - .624
July - 1.15
August - .753

Hmmm....

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

A platoon of Gonzo/Byrnes in LF, with Gonzo getting 100-110 games vs. RHP and Byrnes facing all lefties there, plus Byrnes getting the remaining games there and some games in CF/RF to give Chris Young and Carlos Quentin a breather would be very effective. If DaVanon comes back, he can be the 5th OF guy. Unfortunately, that would mean Hairston gets traded...

As long as AZ gets someone useful for him, I don't mind...

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

Unfortunately, i dont think either gonzo or byrnes would accept a platoon...

moviegeekjn · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:01 am Post subject:

Oden · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:02 am Post subject:

Byrnes will get starting offers of multi-years this off-season. The D-backs need to let him go. Keep DaVannon for the 4th OF'er.

jethawker · AAA Stud Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 52

2007 Gonzo = American League designated hitter

Most probable location......Seattle Mariners?!?!?!?

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qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

not so sure he would sign a FA deal after this year - knowing hes only going to play 25% of the time - backing up gonzo...

He probably will have a bunch of teams who would want his services... and offer more money, and more PT...

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levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

Actually, it appears Byrnes will not be a free agent after this year, but arb eligible. AZ will control him for next year.

If Gonzo accepts 2-3m deal after AZ declines his option, I don't mind having him platoon with Byrnes in LF. There is a fat chance, however, that he will accept a "demotion". And since there is NO chance AZ will pick up his option, the most likely LF solution next year will be Hairston/Byrnes time sharing.

Gonzo appears to hit enough to make Option J viable...

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

Lev - Is byrnes arb eligiable because he only has 4+ years of ML experience?

I thought he signed as a FA this year?

OT - i saw a "LEVSKI" licence plate in Vegas this weekend...

Oden · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:20 am Post subject:

D'oh! I knew that about Byrnes and I keep forgetting it. I don't think his value will ever be this high, so I say they trade him in the off-season - along with whatever else it takes - for that elusive #2 starter.

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

I really think he is a FA at the end of the year...

matt · Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:37 am Post subject:

We've been through this (Byrnes FA or arb status) recently.

Yes, we signed him as a free agent but he was non-tendered by the Nuts. The fact that he was signed as a non-tendered FA does not change the fact taht he doesn't have the service time to be a full free agent. Our options will be to sign him, go to arbitration, trade him, or non-tender him.

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

ok... my bad for missing it... still, his arb value wont be cheap either...

Catharsis · Journeyman Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 338

I knew many of you would come along regarding Gonzo...you'll convert to the darkside soon enough, Shoe. And then your transformation shall be complete! Laughing

For the record, Gonzo has said he doesn't mind competition. He just tells BoMel to run 15 different guys and he'll beat all of them out. I hope that's his attitude still and if he's beat out, he accepts it.

And Oden, come on, Gonzo can play 1B. He's done it before as recently at 1997 and I believe he was a 3Bman earlier in his career. Perhaps when Tony Clark is on the DL again next year Gonzo can give CoJack a rest every now and then. Very Happy

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

Gonzo doesnt mind competition - as long hes the only one competing for LF... (See hissy fits of a couple weeks ago)

As far as gonzo on 1B - why exactly do we want that? Over Jackson?