Diamondbacks Bullpen

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:17 am Post subject: New Payroll speculation thread

I thought I would update this a little bit, with some tweaks....just as primer prior to the moves about to come. As moves are made and the roster is changed, I will plug in whatever changes there are, and bump the thread.

A few notes:

1.) League minimum has been bumped up to 380,000, per new CBA

2.) I have Hudson at 5 million. Originally I had 4 million as an Arb Est....but I think he will get a multi year deal and should make a bit more in return for having a FA year bought out.

3.) I took out Andy Green and stuck in Robbie Hammock. Who knows who will fill that slot though

4.) I put back in the salary for he whose name will not be mentioned, otherwise known as Donut Boy, the Buffet King....etc.

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1067

wow.. thats a young team...

So, approx 12 mil to spend, and whatever we get in return from estrada and byrnes...

I can live with that team you posted, but anyone who has any serious expectations for next year, better re-adjust...

Stuart · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:42 am Post subject:

I think you should add Eric Byrnes on there. As much as all would like to see him traded on a "sell high" basis, it aint gonna happen. This team needs some players to appease the groupies, the fanboys and the casual fans.

Same reason as some "named" pitchers like Mulder etc etc will be signed, to appease the casual fan who work on a "name by name" basis so far as players go. You know, the fans who still want a .260 hitting LF'er with no arm in the lineup Rolling Eyes

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shoewizard · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:49 am Post subject:

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1067

I should have added clark to that list of trade pieces as well... although he prob has more value as a mentor than on the trade market...

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:54 am Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject:

OK...after checking around today, I am making the following tweaks

Drew reduced from 1.3 to 700
Valverde increased 700 to 1.2
Viscaino reduced from 2.5 to 2.2
Cruz increased from 500 to 1.2
Lyon replaced Choate, and gets 1.2 also

shoewizard · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject:

I just updated the payroll figures in post one of this thread to reflect the trade.

1.) I estimated Davis will make 4.5 million in 2007, and he replaced Vargas, who I had at 2 million, so net increase of 2.5 million.

2.) I already had excluded Estrada and Aquino from the roster, so there is no "savings" from this trade on my spread sheet.

3.) Remember I had Hairston in LF, not Byrnes....

I come up with 51,580,000

If we assume a payroll of 60 million, than JB should still have about 8 million to play with....give or take a couple. BUT....at this point the odds are they WON'T trade Eric Byrnes, and therefore payroll is likely to be more like 57 million and in that case he only has 3 million more to play with, which means maybe signing a reliever, or a bench player.

Edit: Of course that simply could be referred to as 3 million payroll flexibility....money that can be absorbed in a trade as opposed to signing a free agent.

baldmaga · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject:

Let's also keep an outside assumption that Kei Igawa is someone that the Diamondbacks aggressively tried to post for.

If Arizona had 17 on the table for Matsuzaka, who's to say that same 17 couldn't be put down for Igawa.

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matt · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:01 am Post subject:

There has never been any public indication from this organization at any level that they intend to trade Eric Byrnes......no newspaper article, no readio interview, nothing. EB himself has said he might be mid season trade bait if he does not get a multi year deal, which it doesn't look like he will get at this stage. But that does not mean he will be traded. It has only been OUR speculation that they might trade him because they should trade him.......in our view that is.

I would need to see more clearcut indications that they intend to trade him before I would move "specumeter" past the 50% mark for odds he will be moved before the season starts.

foulpole · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1302

shoewizard · Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:39 am Post subject:

lol.....
short for "speculation meter"

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shoewizard · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:04 am Post subject:

I read this in Jack Magruders column today

dirtygary · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:34 am Post subject:

I'll be seriously pissed if they move Cruz. He has electric stuff and if you minus his best and worst outliers, he performed very well. The problem was the management of his abilities, and not utilizing him best. He needs to be a long-reliever, middle innings type of guy. The endurance just isn't there for starting, but it would be unwise to lose that talent.
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EvilJuan · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:36 am Post subject:

McCray · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

i'm with dirtygary and eviljuan on this. he's got great stuff, and i think he'd be a great caddy reliever -- maybe pair him with the #5 starter, so even on those days we still end up with 7 or 8 solid innings of incredible pitching.

but... with how pitching starved the market is, is there a possibility of trading cruz for real talent? i wouldn't want to move him for another reliever or another back end low ceiling starter, but would someone pay real talent for a young, affordable starter with electric stuff?
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shoewizard · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:56 am Post subject:

I took Hairston off the list and put in Byrnes....accepting the reality.

However they might go with 14 position players, and Scott might still be on the roster in 2007, but I don't know which pitcher would be moved....I will update later when we know whats what.

matt · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:35 am Post subject:

I hate reality

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1067

We might have to update this as well...

dirtygary · Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject:

Aaron · Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject:

The obvious updates are Randy's salary (minus whatever the Yanks pitch in as well as any possible restructuring of the contract) and it seems Julio's information needs to be included.

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1124

With Shoe's total of 56.2, if we add 14 in for RJ and .5 in for the difference between Julio and Vizcaino, that would put us at 70.7.

If we are willing to go to 65, we are a mere EB from being back on budget.