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shoewizard · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: Gonzo a Cardinal?

Poor MG. I know levski posted this in the other thread, but I thought it deserved a thread of it's own.

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

The Dbacks should TOTALLY offer him arbitration.

moviegeekjn · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Gonzo a Cardinal?

shoewizard · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject:

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

stu · Everyday Player Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 560

The 20% max reduction applies only when the arbitration is mandatory for the player. That is basically the 3-6 year arb.

shoewizard · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:

What was the deal with Maddux a few years back with the Braves?

Didn't he accept arbitration unexpectedly one year and it ended up costing the braves alot more than they were budgeting to spend.

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

yes, maddux accepted. there's really no chance that gonzo accepts. especially since he's bound to make more as a free agent than he would via arbitration in az...

and, what stu said

McCray · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject:

i actually asked this question on the mlb board a week or so ago. they all thought i was an idiot for wanting to offer him arb.

so, if the 80% rule is out the window, what's the worst that could happen? gonzo comes back for another year at price under 8M, but how far under? do we trade byrnes in that situation? and how does the PR play out -- after the sentimental goodbye, and all?
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stu · Everyday Player Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 560

Maddux actually got a raise the season he was a free agent. He signed without going through arbitration so a cut was not at issue. Coming off a 17-11 233 ip 3.05 year he was worth the one year about 14M he signed for.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/maddugr01.shtml

There was no question of him taking a cut. It surprised the Braves because they thought he would want a multi year deal and hadn't planned on him accepting.

EvilJuan · Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject:

rb5 · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Gonzo a Cardinal?

My friends from St. Louis are ecsatic about the possibility of Gonzo in LF next year. Wink

I'm surprised he'd really consider going there since he's said all along that he wants to stay in the NL West. IMO I think for the sake of his family he'd be better off closer but maybe that's just me. If he hasn't received any real consideration from anyone in the NL West, I guess he'll go wherever he has to go.

matt · Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject:

moviegeekjn · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:24 am Post subject:

No Gonzo to the Cardinals talk in today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch, but nothing to rule it out. Cards main concern will be pitching since only Carpenter and Anthony Reyes are certain to return as starters (they plan to keep Wainwright in closer role to start the season).

Article does talk about how the Cards want another power bat to put at either 2nd base or a corner OF spot (mentioning Soriano), but given their past history of not shelling out exorbitant FA money... they may go with a much cheaper Gonzo, and TLR would be certain to use the mix & match method to make sure Gonzo would rare see a lefty pitcher.

Gonzo may not get a deal from anyone that really suits him, but if he thinks he can get plenty of playing time with the Cards he may well sign there. Sounds like he was really impressed with the way the fans take to their club when he was covering the playoffs..

They do love their team and support everyone that plays hard. If Gonzo does go there, they WILL give him lots of appreciation BUT they can also turn on him if they sense that he is lollygagging it in the OF and isn't productive. Hell... they began booing Isringhausen really loudly this season as soon as TLR called him in from the pen.

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Gonzo a Cardinal?

Polar Bear Fan · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:25 am Post subject:

Also, if Gonzo signs with the Cardinals before the arbitration deadline, we automatically offer him arbitration because he cannot accept and we get the 18th pick in the draft plus a sandwich pick. Please sign next week, Gonzo!!!

NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:23 am Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I would think the only time they might do thatis if the FAis so sort after that waiting would risk losing that player, and losing that player would be much worse than losing that draft pick.

Gonzo does not meet these conditions.

matt · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject:

I don't think the team has to worry about Gonzo accepting arbetration. Go ahead and offer it to him.