Diamondbacks Bullpen

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

From SOSH...

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=12615

Arizona Diamondbacks
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Miguel Batista, RHP B
Craig Counsell, SS B
Damion Easley, SS X
Luis Gonzalez, 1B A
Brian Jordan, OF X

AZ had Brian Jordan? Wink

I'm not sure how picks are awared in the new CBA, but I'd think that it stays the same as before, no? A type free agents net you a first rounder and a supplementary pick; B type free agents net you a second rounder and a supplementary pick?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's a no brainer to offer arbitration to Batista; he'll sign elsewhere. Depending on what the market on CC is, I'd be tempted to offer him arbitration as well... even though that might make it more difficult for him to land a spot somewhere and may lead him to accept arbitration in AZ... but the team can always trade him if he does.

Gonzo... you can only hope the Giants sign him right away so AZ can offer him arbitration and take the Giants first round pick...
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wedge · AA Prospect Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 41

for one, there is no C class free agents any more as per the new CBA. Secondly, The B class nets only a sandwich pick that isn't comped by the team that signs the free agent, and no comped 2nd round pick for the B class as before.

matt · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject:

I don't think the team needs to worry about Gonzo accepting arb although it would be some funny ass shit if he did!

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

lee mellon · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:36 am Post subject:

Gonzalez isn't a first baseman.

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

shoewizard · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:40 am Post subject:

lee mellon · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:17 am Post subject:

baldmaga · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:03 am Post subject:

WE BETTER LOCK UP BRIAN JORDAN BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE Laughing

McCray · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:58 am Post subject:

AZ SnakePit · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject:

A question on this - if a team signs two Type A free agents from different teams, how do they decide which of the two losing teams gets the first-round draft pick? Is it the draft order of the losing teams? The rankings of the players? And does the "other" losing team get the signing team's second-round pick instead?
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lee mellon · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject:

McCray · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject:

i don't think there's any way gonzo comes back. he's too butt-hurt about the whole thing. and if they offer him arb, he's a class A FA -- so we'd get an extra first round pick, right? maybe a pitcher?

it might be worth the gamble. i really, really, really don't see him coming back here. especially if arb was offered with the knowledge he wouldn't be a starter anymore.

and, worse case scenario, if he does come back, trade byrnes and only use gonzo against rhp. not a great outcome, but it isn't the end of the world.
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baldmaga · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject:

I expect Gonzo to sign with the Cubs or Texas, so offering him arbitration would clearly be an "arbitrary" move

Counsell · MLB Rookie Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 220

Even if Gonzalez hit only against righties, there's a significant risk of him hitting .250 with 8 homers, or something like that. Plus there's his pathetic defense. He's 40 and was in tremendous shape last year. It's only downhill from here. Might as well bring back Harmon Killebrew, who lives in Scottsdale and can play 3rd and 1B, besides LF (and is now 70 years old). And Harmon will play for less - the most he ever made was about $125K.

lee mellon · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:

Yeah! Sign Harmon!!

AZ SnakePit · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject:

Here's the full list of rankings and grades for AZ, along with some other NL players [* - listed as reliever]

Brandon Webb 90.196 A
Livan Hernandez 80.310 A
Johnny Estrada 78.022 A
Luis Gonzalez 75.778 A
Orlando Hudson 74.459 A
Shawn Green 73.556 A
Jose Valverde 71.341 A
Luis Vizcaino 65.034 A
Craig Counsell 64.069 B
Jorge Julio 63.105 A
Orlando Hernandez 60.294 B
Claudio Vargas 57.843 B
Brandon Medders 56.461 B
Miguel Batista 55.113 B*
Chad Tracy 54.037 B
Chris Snyder 53.480 B
Stephen Drew 51.852 B
Brandon Lyon 49.357 B
Eric Byrnes 49.222 C
Jeff DaVanon 46.222 C
Tony Clark 46.087
Juan Cruz 43.968*
Conor Jackson 38.261
Damion Easley 35.979
Greg Aquino 31.935
Carlos Quentin 28.889
Tony Pena 25.903
Andy Green 23.593
Russ Ortiz 20.392
Enrique Gonzalez 11.683
Chris Young 10.444

NL HITTERS
Albert Pujols 100.000 A
Jason Bay 96.000 A
Michael Barrett 87.546 A
Chase Utley 87.446 A
Paul Lo Duca 77.106 A
Derrek Lee 82.609 A
David Eckstein 82.011 A
David Wright 78.882 A
Carlos Beltran 80.444 A
Alfonso Soriano 80.222 A
Ryan Howard 80.000 A
Mike Piazza 76.923 A
Damian Miller 72.527 A
Jim Edmonds 72.000 A
Barry Bonds 70.000 A
Dave Roberts 66.000 A
Nomar Garciaparra 60.000 B
Dan Uggla 59.307 B
Hanley Ramirez 51.058 C
Royce Clayton 48.677 C
Steve Finley 40.889
Prince Fielder 36.957

NL PITCHERS
Chris Carpenter 97.222 A
Roy Oswalt 96.487 A
Billy Wagner 94.397 A
John Smoltz 93.873 A
Chad Cordero 89.865 A
Pedro Martinez 86.111 A
Trevor Hoffman 83.298 A
Brad Lidge 82.058 A
Tom Glavine 78.023 A
Greg Maddux 75.327 A
Jason Isringhausen 72.137 A
Roger Clemens 70.098 A
Eric Gagne 69.106 A
Mark Mulder 63.889 B
Jeff Weaver 60.049 B
Oscar Villarreal 54.042 B
Armando Benitez 50.000 B
Byung-Hyun Kim 45.507 C
Lance Cormier 40.539
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levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

EvilJuan · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:07 am Post subject:

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

Another look, with more explanations, from BA:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/askba/262766.html
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Old school Hollywood baseball,
Joe Girardi is ten feet tall,
Old school Hollywood baseball,
Me and Frenchy walk a ton.

And Tony Pena cuts in line...

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

The Indians are looking at free agent Craig Counsell, but probably as a utilityman rather than a regular second baseman.
There are going to be a lot of teams interested in signing Counsell as a part-time player. He may wait and see whether he can find a starting job once some of the better free-agent infielders are off the market.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

There should be enough interest in Counsell that offering him arbitration really should be a no brainer at this point. Given that any team that signs him won't lose a draft pick, the Dbacks should do well offering him arb and getting another high draft pick...
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Old school Hollywood baseball,
Joe Girardi is ten feet tall,
Old school Hollywood baseball,
Me and Frenchy walk a ton.

And Tony Pena cuts in line...