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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: You make me want to be a better hitter. Reply with quote



The Diamondbacks search for a hitting coach will include interviews with Indians hitting coordinator Dave Hudgens and Arizona hitting coordinator Rick Schu over the next several days.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And just in case you're sleeping too well at night, here's a little jolt for ya...
scout.com tonight wrote:
If Dusty Baker doesn't land one of the remaining vacant managerial positions, there was some speculation the former Giants and Cubs manager could end up in Arizona for at least one season, possibly as either a hitting coach or bench coach for manager Bob Melvin. Baker is good friends with Diamondbacks general partner Jeff Moorad and has a longstanding friendship with Melvin.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:
scout.com tonight wrote:
... Baker is good friends with Diamondbacks general partner Jeff Moorad and has a longstanding friendship with Melvin.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't take that seriously. Would Baker's ego allow him to play backseat driver?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hudgens is on my wish list.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add Chris Speier and Kevin Seitzer to the mix.

Nick Piecoro with the details here
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a feeling, being the hitting coach on this team, the next couple of years is going to be like being a weatherman in Phoenix. No offense doplganger.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Arizona Diamondbacks on Friday announced that Kevin Seitzer has agreed to a one-year contract to serve as the club's hitting coach. Consistent with club policy, terms of the agreement were not disclosed.

Seitzer, 44, played in parts of 12 Major League seasons. He owns a .295 career average with 74 home runs and 613 RBIs in 1,439 games. He began his career in the Majors with the Kansas City Royals in 1986 and spent parts of six seasons there. He played with the Milwaukee Brewers on two occasions, the Oakland A's and was a member of the 1997 American League champion Cleveland Indians.

He and former Major Leaguer Mike Macfarlane co-own an instructional baseball school in Kansas City that opened in 1996.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He also walked more than he struck out 669-617 Laughing

His best two seasons bookended his career.

He finished second in the 1987 ROY voting to McGwire, and in his last full season, 1996, had a resurgence. In between he was more or less league average.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was a synergy, intangible, sacrafice, hit-run, situational, line-drive doubles hitting machine. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He was a synergy, intangible, sacrafice, hit-run, situational, line-drive doubles hitting machine. Wink


All of which amount to zip-beep-nada for a hitting coach.

+ Can he teach rookies to hit major league pitching?
+ Can he analyze a batter's mechanics, and so help a player out of a slump at the plate?
>>>Can he turn Tracy back into the 2005 version at the plate?

These are what matter now...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EvilJuan wrote:
Dangerfield wrote:
He was a synergy, intangible, sacrafice, hit-run, situational, line-drive doubles hitting machine. Wink


All of which amount to zip-beep-nada for a hitting coach.

+ Can he teach rookies to hit major league pitching?
+ Can he analyze a batter's mechanics, and so help a player out of a slump at the plate?
>>>Can he turn Tracy back into the 2005 version at the plate?

These are what matter now...


Josh Byrnes thinks so. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can he preach patience? I think the last thing we need is to encourage more hacking at the plate.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B. O. N. D. wrote:
EvilJuan wrote:
Dangerfield wrote:
He was a synergy, intangible, sacrafice, hit-run, situational, line-drive doubles hitting machine. Wink


All of which amount to zip-beep-nada for a hitting coach.

+ Can he teach rookies to hit major league pitching?
+ Can he analyze a batter's mechanics, and so help a player out of a slump at the plate?
>>>Can he turn Tracy back into the 2005 version at the plate?

These are what matter now...


Josh Byrnes thinks so. Wink

I think that is just so taguchi. Surprised
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dangerfield wrote:
He was a synergy, intangible, sacrafice, hit-run, situational, line-drive doubles hitting machine. Wink


I've had just about enough Mark Grace bashing from you, young man...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can he preach patience? I think the last thing we need is to encourage more hacking at the plate

I don't disagree, but how does one know if the team isn't patient? I know there must be stats somewhere on how a team hits in certain counts. Does anyone have these stats.

IIRC, the Dbacks did not have a good OBP last yearMy brief look at some Dbacks for first pitch swinging had them doing pretty good, but I did not have team stats. I thought the problem was being over aggressive with 1-0, 2-0, 3-1 counts. With these counts you can afford to take a pitch and not be in a big hole. In fact, you still have a good chance of getting a good pitch or a walk. With a 0-0, if you take the strike you get in a huge hole so your hitting zone whould be much smaller after you get ahead.

Just from memory I don't think the Dbacks did that so I'd like to see some stats.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dbacks were 11 in OBP (NL) and 6th in average so walks should be a focus point. They had a 93 OPS+ and a 106 era+

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ARI/2006.shtml
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW (and I don't think you can draw much from how a coach will coach from the way he played), Seitzer had a 80 for obp minus walks. A very good number for a Punch and Judy hitter.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/seitzke01.shtml
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe teams should have TWO hitting coaches....

One "rotational" hitting coach, like Mike Epstein for the Conor Jacksons of the world, and one front foot hitting coach like Mark Grace for the other guys
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stu wrote:
FWIW (and I don't think you can draw much from how a coach will coach from the way he played), Seitzer had a 80 for obp minus walks. A very good number for a Punch and Judy hitter.


Playing experience does not automatically translate into the ability to teach that experience to others -- and that, imho, is what "coaching" boils down to: teaching the skill -- in this case, of hitting.

The article at the team website doesn't mention whether or not Seitzer has had any previous experience as a hitting coach, apart from teaching the public and a few major league players. Wonder why Seitzer is the person they opted to hire, on that track record (or lack thereof)? Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each hitter gets his own coach. Some of those coaches may also need a coach.

The team does have more than one coach for the hitters. The bench coach doesn't need to sit on the bench at practice (well, Don Zimmer excepted) and the 1st & 3rd base coaches don't need to take their positions. They kind of mentor the kids, so a player like Jackson can go to a couple of other guys for advice if he's not getting the help he needs from his hitting coach.
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TAP wrote:
B. O. N. D. wrote:
EvilJuan wrote:
Dangerfield wrote:
He was a synergy, intangible, sacrafice, hit-run, situational, line-drive doubles hitting machine. Wink


All of which amount to zip-beep-nada for a hitting coach.

+ Can he teach rookies to hit major league pitching?
+ Can he analyze a batter's mechanics, and so help a player out of a slump at the plate?
>>>Can he turn Tracy back into the 2005 version at the plate?

These are what matter now...


Josh Byrnes thinks so. Wink

I think that is just so taguchi. Surprised



One things I'd look for in a hitting coach, is what his take is on certain hitters. For instance, Frank Thomas last ab, in the Tiger Series, he was adjusting, mentally trying to keep himself inside the ball, his body closed elevate and go the other way. Frank thomas doesn't have very many holes in his swing/and adjusts himself, when he's out of sync.. His next time up, in that series may have been a homer. The point is, as a hitting coach, if you're helping a guy with his mechanics or change them at this level, expect a Chad Tracy year.

The main point, a hitting coach, nowdays, has to understands a player's distinct style , what makes him go, and what their own plate coverage strength and weaknesses are. With all the training these guys are subjected too nowdays, if they don't understand the mechanics, well don't expect much from them.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stu wrote:
Dbacks were 11 in OBP (NL) and 6th in average so walks should be a focus point. They had a 93 OPS+ and a 106 era+

Simply "not having Estrada" next year should take care of any shortcomings in the walk department. Wink
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AZ SnakePit wrote:
stu wrote:
Dbacks were 11 in OBP (NL) and 6th in average so walks should be a focus point. They had a 93 OPS+ and a 106 era+

Simply "not having Estrada" next year should take care of any shortcomings in the walk department. Wink


Well, that'll help... but we'll lose quite a few walks in Gonzo and Green. Of course, not keeping them was a no-brainer, but we may be a bit challenged in the bb department as the kids learn their way around the bigs. But hey, at least they can run, so who needs to walk...
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walks just clog up the bases anyway.
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