Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: 1B/3B ?'s
The middle infield and RF seem set. The pitching staff will/should be remade with the exception of a few, but what should the D-Backs do at 1B and 3B for '07 and beyond?
a) Stick with Tracy and Jackson
b) Trade Trady, stick with Jackson
c) Trade Jackson, move Tracy back to 1B, and fill in at 3B
Both b and c require the team to fill 3B. Tracy is at the lowest trade value of his career and shouldn't be moved, just on the sell-hi principle alone. Jackson might be at the highest trade value of his career. In order to obtain the top-tier starter we obsess over in every other thread, we'll surely have to include one "golden boys" (QUDJY). Of these players:
Drew is replaceable by Callaspo
Quentin and Young have no adequate replacements, at least not til '08
Upton is still a ways away and could be the best of all of them
Jackson is replaceable by Tracy
Those issues make CJ the most expendable while his trade value is probably at his highest. Of course this is all contingent on us making a move for the second ace AND being able to find a suitable replacement at 3B, and not Callaspo. The big bat we're looking for. Estrada and Byrnes could be chips used to obtain a top-tier 3B.
Or we could just stick with our positional lineup and ride out the pitching staff the best we can through the system and FA's.
Either direction will probably wind up in a string of first or second divisional finishes for a good 4 yr stretch, but only if we commit to a direction. Which direction is most likely to yield a World Championship, though?
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:19 am Post subject:
How is Jackson's value at its peak or even close to it? He had a nice average, took some walks and hit the occasional extra base hit. When it comes down to it, there were 24 qualifying 1B. CJ ranked 20th in OPS. His value right now could be lower than it was before he was called up. It took one hell of a September to get his OPS above .800 and that is shitty for a 1B that can't play average defense.
I am a Jackson fanboy and I think his potential is much more htan what he did this year but if we are trading Jackson, we are trading potential that has not shown up.
Callaspo is not an adequate replacement for Drew either, not even close. I'd trade Montero or Quentin in a heartbeat before trading Drew or Young. CF's and SS's that can hit a ton are some of the hardest things to find (yes catchers that can hit might be harder to find but Snyder is comprable).
This post makes me think that the ideas are starting to form but understanding isn't quite there. I give you an A for effort though, gary.
As matt pointed out, Jackson's value has only peaked if you don't predict him to ever perform better than he did this year. I don't think that's what you meant though. I think you meant, based off of the timeline of him reaching the majors mid last year to now, his value is the highest now.
That's an agreeable statement, but you hope an expect that young players only see their value go up until they hit their career peak, ideally anyways.
I do think Jackson is the most tradable of the big 5, but I can't give my full consent into trading him until I see the other side of that equation (the reality, not the speculating).
I don't think we need to move Jackson though (or Tracy, really) until we deal with the players we do need to move, like Estrada.
Last night I decided that Byrnes needs to call up "Stand" Pat and offer Estrada for Hamels, then when Pat laughs at him, counter with Floyd. I think he's gettable and the sooner the better.
How is Jackson's value at its peak or even close to it?
He's at his highest value to the teams that control the pitchers that we want - small-mid market teams - because he showed that he can produce at a very high cost/production level, and he still has two years at minimum salary ebfore he reaches arb. Or is it 1? Either way, for the cost/production, I think other GM's are seeing Jackson as a sure bet for league avg production and improving at league minimum cost.
Of course, hopefully, he continues to improve, but as the years pass by his salary will only increase as well. I was putting his value in the context of obtaining a starter from FLA, maybe Min or Cle.
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I do think Jackson is the most tradable of the big 5, but I can't give my full consent into trading him until I see the other side of that equation (the reality, not the speculating).
Obviously nobody here is going to move him blind, but it's allright to play make believe if we're talking about landing one of the top-tier starters we've discussed.
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I don't think we need to move Jackson though (or Tracy, really) until we deal with the players we do need to move, like Estrada
I think a great plan would be to move Estrada and Byrnes for prospects and then try to swing those guys out the door for the players we want. If we're able to get creative and make a couple 3-way deals, then it could turn out really, really well for us.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:21 am Post subject:
Excellent discourse between you two. I am enjoying a great deal.
I'll steal Dylans' thunder here a little bit. Last night he said to me that he will be REALLY impressed with Josh Byrnes as a GM when he swings his first threeway deal.
I'm actually disappointed we haven't seen any yet. The teams that have the ability to get the most creative come out with what they want mor often than not.
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Excellent discourse between you two. I am enjoying a great deal.
I'll steal Dylans' thunder here a little bit. Last night he said to me that he will be REALLY impressed with Josh Byrnes as a GM when he swings his first threeway deal.
I'm sure Robert S will show up to piss on Dylan's parade. My guess is one of the guys Byrnes acquires will be two months too old, paid 37,000/year more than necessary, or hasn't run an Iron Man triathlon in the last 3 years.
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