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EStreetMan
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: Next Years Pitching |
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Some notes from Sunday notes columns around the country..............
The Astros and Roy Oswalt are far apart in their discussions of a long-term contract, and the Astros are likely to shop Oswalt, who can be a free agent after next year, this winter.
A rival National League scout who had witnessed Mark Mulder's four-inning rehab start against Class AAA Iowa on Friday night offered a blunt assessment hours afterward:
"If his name wasn't Mark Mulder, there would have been no need to file a report."
Mulder's 71-pitch outing -- his second rehab appearance since the Cardinals put him on the disabled list June 22 with shoulder stiffness resulting from an impingement -- offered one positive and one cautionary note. The velocity that ebbed from his pitches before the June roster move has partly returned. But the same complications with his delivery that hurt his control two months ago remain an issue.
Mulder's fastball tickled 90 miles per hour on hand-held radar.
But Mulder left Memphis encouraged. He says he can now correct the too-low arm slot that nagged him for weeks before the roster move.
"When I went on the DL, I couldn't do it," Mulder said. "Now I know when I'm doing it and when I'm not."
The adjustment remains a conscious one rather than part of his muscle memory. Mulder especially struggled Friday to command his cut fastball, which often dragged inside to righthanded hitters.
Until shoulder concerns sidelined him, Mulder, tied with the Los Angeles Angels' Bartolo Colon as the game's winningest pitcher from 2001-05, appeared likely to command a contract similar to the five-year, $55 million deal the Toronto Blue Jays gave free agent A.J. Burnett last December. Now he might consider a shorter-term, incentive-heavy arrangement such as those signed in recent years by former All-Star pitchers Kevin Millwood and Matt Morris.
Rumored interest by the Arizona Diamondbacks in a healthy Mulder has percolated for months. (A golf nut, Mulder resides in Scottsdale, where he belongs to the same club as Phil Mickelson.)
Thoughts?........................
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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We have been over this before. Every one of his peripherals except GB rate has declined very badly. Some other team can overpay him for his name.
If he were cheap....like a one year, incentive laden contract with a team option for the second year...then sure. But no way would I support him getting a long term guaranteed contract from this team.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Some of the locals will be calling for him... Mulder is often a regular on one of the radio sports shows, so a number of local pundits "know" him as a "great guy" and all the assorted "intangibles"
The Cards will make a low ball offer that Mulder will reject. Even with his questionable health, he has declined badly and is going to be WAY overpaid by some team. It has best NOT be the Dbacks. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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moviegeekjn wrote: |
Some of the locals will be calling for him... Mulder is often a regular on one of the radio sports shows, so a number of local pundits "know" him as a "great guy" and all the assorted "intangibles" |
...and he has a great putting game.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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pass, definitely. but why would you send your pitcher all the way to a rehab game without correcting the arm angle problem? that's just retarded. i'm sorry, but these are million dollar investments, and once you spot something that's tearing up a shoulder, you sure as hell don't allow it to continue AFTER the guy has rested and healed his shoulder. that's priority #1. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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I think we're all agreed on Mulder...
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Acquiring Oswalt would be one thorn out of AZ's NL backside and would really shore-up the pitching. Expensive and long-term... probably. But if they're going to go that route, who better (that'll be available)?
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Webb, Livian, then let all the different kids battle it out.
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Additional press on Mulder in St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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The adjustment remains a conscious one rather than part of his muscle memory. Mulder especially struggled Friday to command his cut fastball, which often dragged inside to righthanded hitters.
"If you call mechanics getting my arm up, then that's all we were really doing," Mulder said of his emphasis while preparing for his rehab assignment. "I took two weeks off without really touching a ball to let it rest and heal it."
The next two months will dictate whether the Cardinals will reach the postseason for a sixth time in seven seasons. They will also affect how Mulder is perceived as he enters free agency in November.
Unable to complete a waiver deadline deal for a significant starting pitcher, Cardinals general manager Walt Jocketty believes Mulder's return to form "would be our trade."
"You can look at it any way," Mulder said. "That's not how I look at it, but if other people look at it that way, so be it."
Mulder doesn't deny his potential influence on a stretch run and the postseason. A Cardinals rotation tagged with a plus-5.00 ERA beyond Chris Carpenter still struggles for consistency. A postseason rotation of Carpenter, a healthy Mulder, Jeff Suppan and an uncertain fourth name offers a far better look than Carpenter, Suppan and two from among a herd including Jason Marquis, Jeff Weaver, Anthony Reyes and possibly Jorge Sosa.
Mulder said, "If I can come back and pitch well, it's obviously a big thing for the team and for us to get to the playoffs and do well. I need to come back and do well."
La Russa admitted last week that having Mulder return to last season's second-half form would be "huge."
Until shoulder concerns sidelined him, Mulder, tied with the Los Angeles Angels' Bartolo Colon as the game's winningest pitcher from 2001-05, appeared likely to command a contract similar to the five-year, $55 million deal the Toronto Blue Jays gave free agent A.J. Burnett last December. Now he might consider a shorter-term, incentive-heavy arrangement such as those signed in recent years by former All-Star pitchers Kevin Millwood and Matt Morris.
In May, Jocketty told Mulder's agent, Greg Clifton, that the club could have something to talk about shortly before the All-Star break. Mulder was disabled 16 days before the break and negotiations never took place.
Jocketty said last month that the club did not plan to discuss contracts for the remainder of the season. Clifton's response was that his client prefers to stay in St. Louis.
Mulder, who has turned 29 since making his last major-league start June 20, is due $7.75 million this season, the option year of a contract that transferred to the Cardinals with his trade from the Oakland A's in December 2004.
"I'm not going to worry about it. I'm not concerned about what happens after this year. Things work out," Mulder said. "What that is and where it is, I don't know. When I was going to be drafted I wasn't worried about that. It's just not my personality. I'm not going to stress about it.
"We play a kid's game for a living. As long as I'm still doing that, I really don't care. I don't see myself leaving the game, so I'm not that worried about it."
Rumored interest by the Arizona Diamondbacks in a healthy Mulder has percolated for months. (A golf nut, Mulder resides in Scottsdale, where he belongs to the same club as Phil Mickelson.)
Yet it remains difficult to say how the Diamondbacks' recent trade for Washington Nationals pitcher Livan Hernandez might affect their pursuit of Mulder. Hernandez is owed $7 million for 2007.
Mulder (6-5, 6.09 ERA) could still make nine more regular season starts if he goes on another rehab stint Wednesday. Some might hear the meter ticking. Mulder insists he isn't among them.
"Me being a free agent has no bearing on" his return date, Mulder said. "If I was that worried about it, I would have tried to rush back. I don't think people understand I'm not concerned about it. Whatever happens, happens. There are bigger things than worrying about next season right now. I need to worry about this season and doing a good job first."
The increasingly vulnerable Cardinals could not agree more. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Webb, Livian, then let all the different kids battle it out.
I don't think that's realistic. Considering how many league-minimum players they'll have on the roster (or close to it) and how much money they'll have available for salaries next year, they WILL add a couple of pitchers to the staff. It's just a question of how (free agency, trades, etc) and who. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Dangerfield wrote: |
Webb, Livian, then let all the different kids battle it out. |
I think Webb, Oswalt, Livan, Enrique Gonzalez, etc. is better. There'll be a market for pitching (Batista, Vargas) if one or more of the youngsters can step up. Not that they've shown that yet (barring Enrique). Plus, they still have to give Edgar a shot before they lose him...
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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One thing about Mulder is...he's a former Moorad Client... |
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baldmaga wrote: |
One thing about Mulder is...he's a former Moorad Client... |
I have a bad feeling about this...
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Well, that seals it.
I wonder if the Cards will offer him arbitration - that could be a factor for the D-backs. He seems like a guy the Giants might sign ASAP just to get rid of those pesky draft picks, though.
If he makes it here, my guess is $7 millionish plus incentives. |
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Mulder's Club option is priced at 7.25 million, so I don't see the Cards picking that up...although, they did sign Jeff Weaver AND Sidney Ponson AND Bradan Looper
just to add to the agent situation...He now is managed by Gregg Clifton, who also represents Casey Daigle, fmr D-Back Brian Bruney, and most importantly Luis Gonzalez |
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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baldmaga wrote: |
Mulder's Club option is priced at 7.25 million, so I don't see the Cards picking that up...although, they did sign Jeff Weaver
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Jeff Weaver didn't cost much... Cards are hoping for a cheap fix for #5 slot until Mulder could return.
Ponson's contract was cheap and incentive laden.... Another case of the Cards taking a flyer on the cheap for a #5 guy. He was DFA'd.
Looper is still with the club in a set up role. He sucks, but he's got plenty of company.... (including much higher priced Mulder)
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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One potential guy that will be a FA is Adam Eaton of Texas. He is also recovering from injury but was very solid in San Diego. One thing that may be odd is that he still may not have acheived his sixth year of service time. He's been on the DL all year, but was still below the 6.000 mark. |
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