Diamondbacks Bullpen

allstar · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: 2007 Diamondbacks Lineup???

Hi, I'm a newbie here and I would do my best to be one of you!
As my first post, I would like to start out with a question.

C- Miguel Montero
1B- Conor Jackson
2B- Orlando Hudson
SS- Stephen Drew
3B- Chad Tracy
LF- Eric Byrnes
CF- Chris Young
RF- Carlos Quentin

The ones in bold are my question marks. First off, will Montero get a start over Chris Snyder? Will Conor Jackson possibly be dealt to the Detroit Tigers for Jeremy Bonderman? What about Chad Tracy? Is he traded? Eric Byrnes still be manning the left field here at Chase? I've heard about the rumors such as Carlos Lee and Pat Burrell. If we do trade Tracy, do we sign Aramis Ramirez or use Alberto Callaspo or Brian Braden, there? Can we even get Jeremy Bonderman or sign Ted Lilly or Gil Meche?
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McCray · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject:

hi allstar. i'm sorta the source of the cojack/bonderman rumor. shoe pointed out bonderman, and i've been a fanboy of his since 2003. i just figured that detroit is weak at 1b and in obp -- it's just speculation, nothing real to that rumor. just my guess of a starting point for a trade.

'sides, i doubt we get him. i want him, but EVERYONE is going to want him. we'd really have to pony up prospects to get the kid.
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levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

Someone on primer suggested that the Mets deal Milledge, Pelfrey and F. Martinez for Bonderman.

That's a tough package to beat.
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Oden · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject:

Could you see Omar doing that? I think he just might be crazy enough to do it after they lose to the Doggers in the 1st round.

dirtygary · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject:

C- Chris Snyder
1B- Conor Jackson
2B- Orlando Hudson
SS- Stephen Drew
3B- Chad Tracy
LF- Hairston/Davanon; or a big-time LF'er
CF- Chris Young
RF- Carlos Quentin

I'm still convinced that the FO thinks that while every other team is going after the FA pitchers, they should be looking to trade Byrnes and Estrada for pitching or a major bat in LF. The pitching is a long shot, but a power bat would completely alter the dynamic of our team. Or considering the salary, I'd be in favor of a Hairston/Davanon platoon, saving the $4M Byrnes will be getting.
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golfndog · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject:

McCray · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:

i guess i'm less worried about byrnes' career year than clark's. byrnes got his boost moving to a hitters park and being protected for part of the season from facing tough rh pitching. he'll regress, i'm sure, but i don't think it'll be very drastic.

clark, otoh, saved up all his talent to spend in one year, evidently. because i saw that guy back when he was on the tigers, and he sucked then.
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matt · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject:

So it's settled, we're going after Manny?

shoewizard · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject:

ROFL....Sounds like a plan.

moviegeekjn · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject:

farmfan · Draft Pick Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 7

Is anyone else worried that Byrnes's career year really was not very good.
His .313 OBP was lower than Mark Mulder this year.

EvilJuan · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject:

matt · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject:

Just a little bit!

McCray · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject:

hey farmfan, welcome to the baseball forum that doesn't suck. (we really should get a better slogan...)

i'm not that worried about byrnes having a career year last year. i think it's less an amazing year for him, and more being sat against tough rhp, plus a boost from the park factor.

i'm less worried about his regression than i thought i would be. but i could be wrong. hope i'm not, because if he regresses, he's REALLY going to suck in lf. intead of just sorta sucking.
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foulpole · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1357

farmfan · Draft Pick Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 7

i'm not that worried about byrnes having a career year last year. i think it's less an amazing year for him, and more being sat against tough rhp, plus a boost from the park factor.

Now should we have the discussion about $4 million being too much for a left fielder who can't hit right handed pitching. He is worthless the majority of the time.

Oden · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

My preference is still to trade Byrnes this off-season. I'd give huge odds that his trade value is worth more right now than it will be next July or later. If he stays, I have much less of a problem with him in LF than in CF. He's 31 next year and although he wasn't as bad in the field as I made him out to be, I'll enjoy his mindless hustle in LF as opposed to CF.

Regarding his L/R splits, I would consider them fairly extreme. He just strikes out way to much against righties. If he ever decided to use a different approach from the right side, he'd be worth more to me. You'd think in this day & age of video, training & improved use of stats that players would see what they need to improve on.

dirtygary · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject:

Is Byrnes a traditionally fast starter? I thought he was, if I recall. Might be worth a gamble on him getting off to a good start, and then he'll look really good to a team that needs a solid outfielder around the ASB. But there's also no reason to be the team that gets stuck shelling out the $ to Byrnes for his career year. He's just not good enough against righties, and I don't see him hitting nearly as many HR's, or improving his pitiful OBP much, next year. Speaking of, he's representing himself well on ESPN with Karl and Tim.
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Bob A · MLB Rookie Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 229 Location: Tucson

Before they announced he would be platooning left field next year I was under the impression Brynes only had been signed as a one-year player. Does anyone know how many years we have left on his contract. Even if we give up on Hairston there are still a couple of other outfielders coming up through the ranks that will be knocking on the major league door in a season or two.

shoewizard · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject:

The D Backs control Byrnes for one more year. He is arbitration eligible.

If he is signed to another one year deal, then he will be a free agent after the end of 2007.

YBC-Dog · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:41 am Post subject:

One thing that kind of concerns me is that BOTH Byrnes and Hudson are coming off career years, so we are putting a lot of faith in them to continue that trend and not regress.

If Hudson ends up looking like Orlando Hudson from the 1st half, and Byrnes continues looking like himself, there will be even more pressure on the kids to produce.

I think they're up to the task, but I also wouldn't mind trading Byrnes for someone who could solidify the lineup a little more.

dirtygary · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:52 am Post subject:

Gotta move BYrnes, Estrada, and maybe Hudson while they're at the high value point for whatever pitchig we can asemble for the '08 season and beyond. It'll be way easier to find replacements for those guys than it'll be to fill in gaps in the rotation or the pen. Hudson is the last of the three I'd move for pitchig though. He makes our pitchers better. The other two don't. And I don't think we should get stuck paying for Byrnes career year that he won't repeat.
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shoewizard · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject:

qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

Are we going to devalue byrnes just by moving him to LF. Imo, he played a pretty good CF last year, and there isnt exactly a surplus of CFers out there. Another reason why trading byrnes now may work out well...

San Fran?
Boston? byrnes would be good as a pull hitter at that park
LAA?
LA?
Both Chicagos?

Theres a long list of teams that could use a cfer... not as long a list for byrnes as a lfer...

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject:

Don't forget Minnesota, if Hunter leaves.

(Sorry Oden)

Maybe Texas....Mathews is a FA.

Hey...Texas could reunite Gonzo and Byrnes