Diamondbacks Bullpen

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/0922dbxmain0922.html

It appears Josh Byrnes isn't going to go after Zito or Schmidt or Lilly.

Obviously, he hasn't gotten Gumbadoro's memo. A GM cannot be dumb enough to ignore Gumbo, right? Right?

Which means we'll see another winter of discontent, with trade rumors flying around like Lindsay Lohan punches in a bar fight...

The only problem is that A LOT of teams out there will be going after the same pitchers in trades (i.e., Willis, Westbrook Trout --this one's for you, shoewiz) so any trade might be prohibitively expensive for AZ.

Not to mention that the Dbacks really should be looking to acquire a guy who'll be around in 2008 and beyond, not just 2007...

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I still like the idea of trading Eric Byrnes for Jason Jennings then locking him up to a two year extension...
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qudjy1 · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1121

As i mentioned to shoe, do you really think col would go for such a deal??? I dont...

matt · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject:

I'm siding with McCray, let's go for Bonderman. However, I'd take Jennings if we decide Bonderman costs too much.

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject:

Get Bonderman in here and they will have a chance to go all the way in 2008, and use the extra playoff revenues to sign him as a Free Agent.

moviegeekjn · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: An arm and a leg

Hugh · A-Ball Kid Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 20

In the article, Byrnes mentions Owings and Ohlendorf as possibilities--along with Nippert. This from BA today (organization update) is timely:

by the way, since Ohlendorf was a 2004 draftee, does he have to go on the 40 man or go Rule V?

McCray · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject:

matt · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject:

I like the idea of using Carlos Gonzalez but he might be too far away for the Tigers to consider. With him in there, I'd also rather deal Tracy than Jackson. Actually, no matter what, I'd rather have it be Tracy than Jackson.

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

How many years would we control Bonderman?

David B · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject:

Didn't Colorado already have Byrnes briefly during 05?

Looking it up....yep, Byrnes was a Rockie for 15 games in July 05. He must have made a real impression...his stay with the team lasted all of 17 days beore he was dealt to the Orioles.

McCray · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject:

dirtygary · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I don't think we're dealing Byrnes to anybody familiar with him.
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tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

That's always a good sign.

webby17 · AAA Stud Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 55

i would definetly not trade carlos gonzalez. he is gonna be better than quentin

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject:

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

So if we're going to write off 2007 and assume we'll be in good shape in 2008, who do we go after this offseason to make us better in 08?

We're going to burn Estrada & Hairston for sure and likely a few others. Should we be getting that potent #3 or do we sit it out and assume we can wrap up the #3-5 slots internally in 08 and then just wait for next offseason to get a #2.

Robert S. · Everyday Player Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 530

I really don't think the team is writing off '07 by letting the kids play (if that's what they end up doing). Arizona wrote off '05 and '06 - they locked themselves into a ton of mediocrity, despite overwhelming evidence. Next year is the first season ever for the organization where they are going to have upside littered across the field (allegedly).

Robert S. · Everyday Player Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 530

I'm pretty sure I mentioned Bonderman first. I only mention this because I want to have my spot on the WS parade floats reserved in addition to my nominal commission. Wink

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

I'm not saying we are writing the year off necessarily but that most of us would readily admit we won't be a WS team next year. I'm just stating that if we will be focusing on the 2yr plan vs the next yr plan, how does that play into our offseason trading.

Robert S. · Everyday Player Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 530

As a general rule, I'd say that if the team is giving up legitimate talent and/or money, it needs to be on players that are going to be impact players in at least '08 and '09, if not even further. Stop-gaps are effectively a total waste (see: Byrnes, Eric).

To wit: I'd rather see the team overpay for Bonderman (if an extension can be reached), than get Westbrook for market value.

levski · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1763

EvilJuan · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject:

Add my voice to those saying, "Don't trade Jackson!"

I can't really point to any statistical basis for this, but just watching him in the batter's box over the past several weeks suggests (to me, anyway) that he's starting to "get it" -- and is going to be an excellent hitter, very soon.

My $0.02...
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McCray · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject:

Perhaps the dirty little secret is that all we get is stopgaps until we get LUCKY and two of our minor league pitchers develop into top tier pitchers at the same time, or one of them does it quickly before Webb is gone.