Diamondbacks Bullpen

shoewizard · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: Edgar Gonzalez

Melvins Quote about Edgar

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

Fingers crossed!

It would definitely be nice to fill out most of our rotation without going after the Dessens of the world.

dirtygary · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:24 am Post subject:

What does Edgar need to do to fill that #5 slot? I say if the guy can get us through 5 innings with a 5+- ERA, than let him fill it.
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shoewizard · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:47 am Post subject:

I'd like to see him do more than that. I would like to see him average 6 innings per start.

30 starts 180 innings, sub 5 ERA

This is under the assumption that Vargas is gone of course. Can't have two guys like that in the rotation and expect to do much.

dirtygary · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:02 am Post subject:

Exactly, we can get Vargas production from a system guy for a lot cheaper. Obviously we'd all like to see him avg 6 IP's and 3 R's, but I don't think it's realistic. If it's the #5 slot, we can live with 150 IP's and a 5.3-5.5 ERA over 30 starts. But we can't have another guy like that. It seems the problem is that we have depth in back-end rotation guys, but not much in the form of top-level talent. Same as every other club.

Who are the best arb guys on the bottom 10 payroll teams? Our best bet is probably pulling somebody like that in a trade.
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dirtygary · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:

So this last start wasn't so bad. What if he repeats it? Should Byrnes just straight up tell him that he WILL be in the rotation next year and see how he responds?
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stu · Everyday Player Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 560

I didn't see the whole game, but in what Isaw, it looked like Gonzalez was pitching inside more and with more heat. He has to keep the batters honset or they will tee of on him. His breaking balls are not that good and the movement, while good, is not that good that batters will "just miss" and pop up his bad pitches. This is reflected in his HR rate.

His minor league k/w is great. Like to see more k's.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Edgar-Gonzalez-1.shtml

He is still young. I think they need to keep him next year even if in a reliever role.

McCray · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject:

realistically, could he be worse than vargas? that alone is reason to guarentee his a rotation spot -- less time mccray wastes watching claudio "the human rain delay" vargas.
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dirtygary · Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject:

Yeah, it's time to let Vargas go. He's had a chance to be decent, and just has gained no consistency. God help us if we can't find a net gain from Vargas somewhere.
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matt · Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:28 am Post subject:

Seriously, I wish Vargas would quit teasing us with 3 great outings followed by three really shitty outings. It would make it a lot easier to dump him.

tmar · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1184

I think it would make dumping Vargas a lot easier if Byrnes could work in a good trade for him or use him as a kicker on a larger trade. I know he won't yield much, but on the other hand he's not worth a whole lot to us and the pitching market seems to be dry.

shoewizard · Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:23 am Post subject:

Robert S. · Everyday Player Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 530

Here's a thought: Why doesn't the organization try the Mazzone approach with Edgar? Teach him the sinker, point to the outside corner, and see if he can make it work.

dirtygary · Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:30 am Post subject:

Seemed like he was having success coming inside with his hard Wink

fastball. Velocity was right around 90, which better be located. Otherwise, it's big trouble. I think EdGo is the kind of guy that can get through the lineup about twice before things start to go down the drain.
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dirtygary · Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:31 am Post subject:

Anybody think Byrnes is tempted to say screw it and announce a starting rotation of Webb, Livan, Enrique, Nippert, and EdGon?
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matt · Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:32 am Post subject:

Maybe, there is probably not a lot of harm in having him fool around with it in the offseason. I wonder if they will ask him to play winter ball or not this offseason. If so, maybe he could tinker with it there.

matt · Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:41 am Post subject:

Is Nippert out of options next season? I hope not because he was not the same this year.

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McCray · Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:05 am Post subject:

tswinders, if you're in this thread, can you give a report on nippert's mechanics? i know they were fucked early in the season -- did they stay fucked, or get better? his stats don't seem to have gotten any better.

it's amazing how every moving part in that kid's body seems to have derailed.
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