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levski
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TAP posted this in another thread, I figured I'd start a new one. As Bono sings, "This song Charlie Manson stole from the Beatles, we're stealing it back"...
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Jack Magruder/East Valley Tribune today wrote:
D-Backs have had preliminary talks with the agent for Miguel Batista and hope to have further dialogue in the near future about keeping Batista here for at least one more year.
Batista, who starts today, has a 10-6 mark that does not reflect the stability he has lended the rotation. He leads the major leagues with 14 no-decisions.
“We want to discuss some concepts with him,” said general manager Josh Barnes, who said it “is certainly worth talking about” re-signing him before the free agency period that begins after the World Series.
Batista played for $4.75 million this season and might be expected to make $5 million-$6 million a year going forward.
“I like it here. The point is, I have to weigh my options,” Batista said.
“I’m probably in the best shape of my career, physically and mentally. I believe I can offer a very quality service, especially in this era. Everybody is looking for good pitching.
“Everything for me is not about money. It’s about being in a good place at a good time. Sometimes you can be in a good place at the wrong time. Right now, I’m worrying about finishing the season the way it is supposed to be.”
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I saw this on mlbtraderumors.com a couple of days ago:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/09/wells_meche_giv.html
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In case you were curious, here are the top fifteen free agent starters ranked by 2006 VORP:
1. Jason Schmidt
2. Barry Zito
3. Mike Mussina
4. Roger Clemens
5. Tom Glavine
6. Andy Pettitte
7. Miguel Batista
8. Jamie Moyer
9. Vicente Padilla
10. Greg Maddux
11. Woody Williams
12. Ted Lilly
13. Brad Radke
14. Jeff Suppan
15. Gil Meche |
Now, you'll see Padilla figures prominently there, and so does Meche; I think I've thrown both names out there for consideration. The problem with trying to sign either one of them is that they'll demand multi-year offers.
It appears Miggy might give the Dbacks a home discount. Despite making Steve Trachsel look elegant on the mound, Miggy has been effective this year.
In fact, when he was acquired from the Jays, I made the bold prediction that he would be just as effective in AZ in 06 as Javy Vazquez was in 05. So far, so good... even if I'm not sure I won any bets...
In short, if Miggy gives the team a discount to come back (let's say one or two year deal in the 5-6m/year range), then the Dbacks should look into it. I'd prefer one year with a team or mutual option, but I'm splitting hairs here. The point is that Webb, Livan and Miggy should be pretty solid innings munchers next year, and take pressure off the pen.
It would also create a mad rush for the last two spots in the rotation, but oh well. I'd try to trade Vargas, for sure. And Owings will start next year in AAA. So that would leave Edgar, Enrique and Nippert to fight it out for the last two spots in the rotation. I'm ok with that...
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dirtygary
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I'm with ya. Miggie has been effective and reliable. Not dominant, and he has a bad start here and there, but his upside is high. Figure, if we're in the playoffs, I'm feeling as good as I could be if he's starting game 3. 2 yrs under $6M per isn't bad.
A 2 yr deal would be perfect for rotating expensive starters out for our own guys. We have Webb, Livan, and Miggie next year, with Enrique in the 4 spot. Edgar gets the #5 starts - fewer - and long relief assignments. After '07, Livan is gone, and we decide on Edgar, or Nippert/Owings. I'm assming Enrique is effective. The guy just seems to have the stuff to get it done, recent struggles aside. We'd also have the cash to grab a top-tier guy if the deal is right.
If consisstent inning eaters were a problem, we can't let 2 guys go that are consistent gteting through 6 and keeping us in the game.
I say sign Miggie at 1 yr/$5.5M, w/ club option for 2nd yr at $5.5M or a $1-$1.5M buyout. He might not go for it, though. If his agent is decent, he should be able to get $7.5/yr for 2 yrs on the open market.
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Robert S.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Why would Batista give the D-backs a discount? |
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He said he would in an interview for the comfort of not having to move, stay in a place he likes, etc.
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Miggy has done almost exactly what I had hoped for him. My only complaint is that I would have liked about 10 more innings from him.
Going forward, I'm not so sure. He will be 36 and his K's are down and BB's are up. He's been extraordanairly lucky this season and the luck has to run out eventually. Then again, it's more about 08 than 07. If he is willing to take a one year deal at about what he made this season (maybe a little more) I'm cool with it. Absolutely not a two year deal. |
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levski
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Robert S. wrote: |
| Why would Batista give the D-backs a discount? |
Miggy's words:
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| “Everything for me is not about money. It’s about being in a good place at a good time. Sometimes you can be in a good place at the wrong time." |
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Robert S.
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| The only way that statement could've been more empty and inane is if he thanked Jesus that he's able to always give 110% because it's all about winning. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| As I stated on the other thread, I don't think they'd stop with Miggy if they resigned him for next season. I still fear we're looking at an offseason swing for a trade for someone like Willis. |
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levski
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| As I stated on the other thread, I don't think they'd stop with Miggy if they resigned him for next season. I still fear we're looking at an offseason swing for a trade for someone like Willis. |
Why is that a fear?
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| Why is that a fear? |
are you on the willis boat, lev? i wouldn't mind the kid, but i'm wary of his mechanics and how much he'll cost in terms of prospects.
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levski
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now, worrying about how much he'd cost is one thing; worrying about a trade for him is sort of different. semantics, sure.
but here's the deal: az's blue chippers in the minors (young, upton and gonzalez) are arguably untouchable. which means that if the dbacks swing a trade for willis, it would be for lesser talent. that I can live with.
but that's besides the point because I really doubt the marlins trade willis.
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i don't know... when they didn't trade him during the start of this season, i figured he was going to stay a marlin. but now they've got a pretty good rookie rotation, and willis isn't as good as the others have pitched, and costs more. i wouldn't be surprised if they tried to trade him this off season.
but i can't see the marlins taking anything but the blue chippers. so i'd guess he gets traded, but not to AZ.
i would trade a blue chipper for johan, though. i'm hoping and praying liriano comes back strong and stellar, just so the twins might think of dealing him before he hits FA. i'd give up just about any prospect for him.
in all fairness, i must add: this was all shoewiz's idea a while ago. but since then, i just can't get it out of my head. johan is THE guy.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| That's my fear. Like if Upton gets off to a slow start next year and we decide he's no longer untouchable. |
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levski
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I think you guys under-estimate the Dbacks front office. They understand the true value of pre-arb and arb-eligible players much better than anyone on this board seems to appreciate...
If Willis does get traded, some team out there will pay more for him than the Dbacks would. It's almost a given. Willis will have 2 years of arbitration left in him; the next 2 years of Willis's career are worth a LOT more to a team like the Red Sox or the Cardinals or the Mets than are worth to the Dbacks...
Johan? You're funny...
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like to go on record as saying that I hope the D'backs resign Batista and then add another free agent starter. We've just saved $10 not picking up Gonzo's salary. Signing a decent free agent name brand starting pitcher can go some ways towards apeasing the ruffled feathers of the Gonzo faithful as well as helping solidify our starting line up. Then all we need is a closer! |
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| Johan? You're funny... |
 i know, i know, but i can dream, can't i?
as for opening the wallet and getting a FA pitcher, i think next year is the year to do it. 07 is the year of the kids making adjustments. 08 is the start of the run.
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levski
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http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=74933
D-Backs, Batista begin contract talks
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tmar
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I've got mixed emotions on this. I like Batista and think even in a 2 year deal he'd be an OK #4/5. On the other hand I don't think he'll be as successful over the next year or two as he has <and like Levski's said many times, he's been real lucky>.
As long as the money is right I guess it's OK. |
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i think he's due for an implosion. too many baserunners, not enough k's. even a 1 yr deal worries me a little, and 2 yrs the team would regret. plus, i don't see him signing for anything less than 3 yrs -- it's his last contract, most likely.
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| I don't think there's any way our FO touches a 3yr Miggy deal and would like to think they'd shy away from a 2yr deal unless it was so peachy they wouldn't mind eat yr 2 <which they may end up doing>. |
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Reading between the lines:
It's all business to Miggy
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Business decision: The D-Backs touched base with the agent for Miguel Batista to express interest in bringing the free-agent right-hander back next season.
Batista would like to stay in Arizona, but with the market for pitching this offseason expected to be tight, he may end up being too pricey.
At 36 years old and a veteran of 18 years of professional baseball, Batista has learned, sometimes the hard way, that baseball is a business. For him, the fun comes in being part of the community and spending time with children -- his own as well as those in need in the community.
He puts so much effort into his craft and takes it so seriously that baseball is more of a job than a pastime for him.
"They take it as a business when they fire us, so we take it as a business when we have to sign," Batista said. "I don't play baseball for fun. A lot of things in this business are not fun for me. This is my job. This is my career. Fun for me would be playing ball with my kids and girlfriend in a park somewhere. That would be fun. Fun is seeing kids laugh or spending quality time with someone you like. This is different. I didn't leave my country for fun. I left my country because I was looking for a better opportunity, a better career.
"At the end of the year, they don't pay you based on how much fun you had. It's about how you perform. I love Phoenix. I would like to always have a residence there because of how well I can identify with the area and the people there." |
I don't see him coming back...
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Yeah, all his talk about "business" makes it seem like he is giving the D-Backs the cold shoulder and looking for the highest bidder.
Good luck, Miggy...
A note to Johnny Estrada though: It's perfectly clear that it's perfectly clear that this team is going in aother direction, and you don't like it.
Can you please just STFU through the end of the year?
It's like he thinks he's Gonzo (or Andre Ethier)... |
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I like Miggy, and don't mind if he has a spot in the rotation -- but not at any price. I'm sure Byrnes will make the best offer possible, consistent with the overall plans of the team, and where they perceive Batista would fit in. I'm equally sure that Batista -- who knows this is probably it for him in MLB, contractually -- will want to see if he can do better in the FA market; and he probably will, given the dearth of pitching talent available. It's not a "cold shoulder" action on Miggy's part -- it's just business.
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| How about a trade for a guy like Garcia. Either him or Mark B is gone before next season so the sox's can start McCarthy and all indications that it will be Garcia. |
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| How about a trade for a guy like Garcia. Either him or Mark B is gone before next season so the sox's can start McCarthy and all indications that it will be Garcia. |
Well, I'm going to do my best shoewizard impression here (come back, shoe!!!! ):
Garcia's GB/FB is 1.07, neither here nor there. He's gves up the long ball to the tune of 32 in 2006. His K/9 has been declining, 5.68 in 2006. 132 K to 48 BB is good for a 2.75 K/BB. AVG, OBP, SLG against have all been on the rise since 2004. He's presently got a 1.30 WHIP, also been in decline since 2004. His ERA+ in 2006 is (drumroll) 100.
I think any improvement in moving to the NL will be mitigated by Chase Field and his own apparent decline.
I think we already have a couple of those types on the team so I would say pass.
Oh... he's 16-9 record and a AL 4.65 ERA.
Someone more knowledgeable care to go more in depth? Maybe I'm missing something? I haven't seen him pitch alot, just going by the stats.
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