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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: 2007 Individual Award Notes Reply with quote

From today's San Jose Mercury News:

CY YOUNG
N.L.: Jake Peavy, Padres. Leads the majors in ERA (2.36) and strikeouts (233). Opponents hit only .202 against him, which is second to teammate Chris Young (.188), and Peavy just missed joining Randy Jones and Gaylord Perry as Padres to win 20 games in a season. Peavy (18-6) also had the longest homerless streak in the majors this season, according to Elias, going from April 19 to June 30 without serving up a longball. Apologies to: Brandon Webb, Diamondbacks.

Rookie of the year
N.L.: Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies. Just an agonizing choice between the Colorado shortstop and Brewers third baseman Ryan Braun. But Tulowitzki has the edge in almost every category except home runs. He also plays well at a premium defensive position. Braun didn't get called up until May 24, which makes his numbers amazing, but Tulowitzki should be rewarded - not punished - for contributing all season. Apologies to: Braun and Chris Young, Diamondbacks.

Manager of the year
N.L.: Bob Melvin, Diamondbacks. Arizona is poised to become just the sixth team to reach the postseason despite scoring fewer runs than it allowed. How did the Diamondbacks do it? They went 32-18 in one-run games. Melvin will have to keep pressing the right buttons in the playoffs. Four of the five previous postseason teams to be outscored during the regular season were swept in the first round. Only the 1987 Twins won the World Series. Apologies to: Ned Yost, Brewers; Lou Piniella, Cubs.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I agree with the picks, I think Braun will win the award (unless Colorado makes the postseason).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't understand why Lou Piniella should even be considered. There is a ridiculous amount of money and talent on that team, just because the Cubs are perennial losers doesn't mean that Piniella has created some type of miracle season out of what he's been given. On the contrary, its a sub-par season for the amount of money invested into that talent.

Bob Melvin, Clint Hurdle, and Charlie Manuel should be the only one getting votes, in my lowly opinion
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie Manual has tons of talent on his team as well. Why does he get votes but Lou doesn't? That's a half-assed logic.

Also, the 2005 Dbacks outperformed their pythag by 11 games, but I don't think Melvin got much support for the MOY award.


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Also, I really like Braun but Tulo is also having a great season, and his glove more than compensates for his lower HR rate and his mediocre stats away from Coors. That being said, if Braun will be penalized for not having a full season, Tulo should be penalized for being very mediocre in half of the games he plays away from CO.

I think Braun wins the ROY, Peavy gets the CY, and Melvin wins the MOY. And all of them will deserve the awards. Finally, I think DWright will edge out Fielder for the MVP, and I think he'll deserve it as well.

Webb had another excellent season, a great season in fact, but will fall short. No shame though, he was a true ace. Get them next year, Webby.

In the AL, I think Beckett wins the CY, A-rod the MVP and Pedroia will edge out DYoung and Bannister for the ROY. Matsuzaka's late struggles will take him out of serious consideration. The MOY is still up in the air, but I see Wedge getting it, and Scioscia will get a few votes as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be amazed if Tulo even came close to Braun in the ROY voting. Both have had great seasons but Braun's #s after missing almost the 1st full 2 months are something truly special that doesn't happen very often.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatuwant wrote:

Bob Melvin, Clint Hurdle, and Charlie Manuel should be the only one getting votes, in my lowly opinion


It's a media driven award, so logic/stats aren't deciding factors in these awards. ANY Cubs manager that gets his team into the playoffs will automatically receive high consideration, and especially since Lou has endeared himself to the media with sound bites like he barked when the Cubbies bullpen imploded early in the season. Public tirades like that will sway lots of media heads when the Cubs end up turning it around.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Webb had another excellent season, a great season in fact, but will fall short. No shame though, he was a true ace. Get them next year, Webby.

Better this year than Webb 2006 Cy Young even, but not better than Peavy 2007.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP wrote:
levski wrote:
Webb had another excellent season, a great season in fact, but will fall short. No shame though, he was a true ace. Get them next year, Webby.

Better this year than Webb 2006 Cy Young even, but not better than Peavy 2007.


Not that it matters since we won't be using it but Webb's 2010 buyout of his contract will go up another 500K after he finishes in the Top 5 of voting.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As good as Young season's been, he's the third best rookie on this team. I'm counting Adrian as a rook as well. Tony's been spectacular.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dangerfield wrote:
As good as Young season's been, he's the third best rookie on this team. I'm counting Adrian as a rook as well. Tony's been spectacular.


Who's Adrian?

And you know that Tony Clark is 35 years old, right? Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dangerfield wrote:
As good as Young season's been, he's the third best rookie on this team. I'm counting Adrian as a rook as well. Tony's been spectacular.


Which universe is this in? Question

( I did watch Away from Her on DVD last night)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

levski wrote:
Dangerfield wrote:
As good as Young season's been, he's the third best rookie on this team. I'm counting Adrian as a rook as well. Tony's been spectacular.


Who's Adrian?

And you know that Tony Clark is 35 years old, right? Wink


Adrian is Adrian Rosario....AKA Tony Pena.

I am assuming his ranking is

Reynolds
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Young.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Charlie Manual has tons of talent on his team as well. Why does he get votes but Lou doesn't? That's a half-assed logic.

Also, the 2005 Dbacks outperformed their pythag by 11 games, but I don't think Melvin got much support for the MOY award.


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Also, I really like Braun but Tulo is also having a great season, and his glove more than compensates for his lower HR rate and his mediocre stats away from Coors. That being said, if Braun will be penalized for not having a full season, Tulo should be penalized for being very mediocre in half of the games he plays away from CO.

I think Braun wins the ROY, Peavy gets the CY, and Melvin wins the MOY. And all of them will deserve the awards. Finally, I think DWright will edge out Fielder for the MVP, and I think he'll deserve it as well.

Webb had another excellent season, a great season in fact, but will fall short. No shame though, he was a true ace. Get them next year, Webby.

In the AL, I think Beckett wins the CY, A-rod the MVP and Pedroia will edge out DYoung and Bannister for the ROY. Matsuzaka's late struggles will take him out of serious consideration. The MOY is still up in the air, but I see Wedge getting it, and Scioscia will get a few votes as well.


what about Sabathia for al cy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what about Sabathia for al cy

That was my pre-season pick. Very Happy
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what about Sabathia for al cy

That was my pre-season pick. Very Happy


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Dre wrote:
I'd be amazed if Tulo even came close to Braun in the ROY voting. Both have had great seasons but Braun's #s after missing almost the 1st full 2 months are something truly special that doesn't happen very often.



You're right - it's hard to rack up that many errors in only 100 games.

Last I checked, baseball involved defense, too. Tulo is not only the better defensive player, he should probably win the GG at short in the NL.
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They won't have a vote when the baseball writers cast their ballots for Manager of the Year in the National League, but D-backs managing general partner Ken Kendrick and CEO Jeff Moorad do have an opinion on how their manager, Bob Melvin, has performed this year.

"I think the one word for the job he's done is 'remarkable,'" Kendrick said.

"Bob Melvin has been everything we've asked for and more," Moorad said. "In my view, he's a no-brainer choice for Manager of the Year in the National League. He's certainly earned it."

"It's a tough act to blend veterans with young players and get the best from all of them," Kendrick said. "And Bob has seemed to, almost in a Houdini-like way, been able to make the decisions of who to play and when to play them, and I think he deserves great credit for the way he's handled it."

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"It's a tough act to blend veterans with young players and get the best from all of them," Kendrick said. "And Bob has seemed to, almost in a Houdini-like way, been able to make the decisions of who to play and when to play them, and I think he deserves great credit for the way he's handled it."


Between the broadcasters and owners... "Houdini" is being overused to the point of establishing it as a Dbacks cliche. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TAP wrote:
"It's a tough act to blend veterans with young players and get the best from all of them," Kendrick said. "And Bob has seemed to, almost in a Houdini-like way, been able to make the decisions of who to play and when to play them, and I think he deserves great credit for the way he's handled it."


Between the broadcasters and owners... "Houdini" is being overused to the point of establishing it as a Dbacks cliche. Wink


Not to worry... The frequency of use should be dramatically reduced once Livan Hernandez is pitching for another team... Wink
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... That being said, if Braun will be penalized for not having a full season, Tulo should be penalized for being very mediocre in half of the games he plays away from COL

Braun should be penalized for having a bullshit glove.

Tulo shouldn't be penalized much for the home/road splits. Lots of young players are that way. And his glove is there everyday.

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You can debate how fine the lines are among the jobs that Manuel, Colorado Rockies manager Clint Hurdle and Chicago Cubs skipper Lou Piniella did, but the clear NL manager of the year is Bob Melvin, of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

In a sport where veteran experience is considered a must for playoff teams, Melvin guided a team that featured 15 players who made their major league debuts in 2003 or later to the National League West.

When the D-backs face the Cubs tonight, four rookies - shortstop Stephen Drew, third baseman Mark Reynolds and outfielders Justin Upton and Chris Young - could be in the starting lineup.

In a sport where money talks, Melvin's roster cost a modest $53 million - $13 million of which is going to players no longer with the team.

In a game where runs are supposed to matter, Melvin's Diamondbacks defied the odds and made the playoffs by giving up 20 more runs than they scored, finishing 26th in runs and 29th in batting.

Arizona had no .300 hitters and just one player who hit more than 21 home runs (Young with 32.)

Still, despite their youth and injuries, the Diamondbacks managed to win a league-best 90 games - all while the Colorado Rockies, San Diego Padres and Los Angeles Dodgers were chasing them in the most competitive division in baseball.

Melvin didn't have the advantage of age or experience.

Yet, he managed to successfully guide a team primarily comprised of novices through the highs and lows of their first pennant race.

"I don't know that I've been on team where it's been rookie laden as we are here," Melvin said. "A lot of people ask me what style of manager are you?

"I think it's more about the group that you have. I have to acclimate to the group. We do have a lot of inexperience this year, yet we felt like as a staff we could probably influence this group more so than other groups. It's been a very rewarding year as far as my managerial seasons."

It should be rewarded with a manager of the year trophy.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Melvin had the award wrapped up but then the Phils and Rox came from out of nowhere to claim playoff spots. They could steal it from Melvin (especially since Philly is the closest team to NY).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah... it comes down to what they each had to work with... and I think Melvin's had more success with lesser "parts". Who knows about the future potential of our kids... but look at the line-ups for COL and PHI and CHI... there's just some sick talent there. The only way we got here is through team effort and team effort comes together through the manager and his staff. Melvin should win.

Of course if the Rox go all the way, that's what they'll vote on. Sentimentality and all. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When were the vote due? One guy at Primer said they were due the day before the playoff game. If so, Holliday isn't going to get credit for his perfromance there or the Rocks making it. Also I bet some of the writers sent in their votes early. Plus it is the writers so it is crap shoot to start with.

I think this is a year where the difference between who deserves the award and who gets it is going to be signifigant.

Peavy is deserving and will get it.

Melvin deserves it but Manuel will get it.

Tulo deserves it but Braun will get it.

Holliday deserves it but Rollins will get it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B. O. N. D. wrote:

Of course if the Rox go all the way, that's what they'll vote on. Sentimentality and all. Rolling Eyes


Playoffs are not to be part of the vote; pretty sure the ballots go in before they begin. Just not tallied and announced until after the playoffs... gives MLB off season chances for media stories.
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