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tmar
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 Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: No love for D-Backs pitching |
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Roto Authority rates us 10th in the NL
Only better than Col in the NL West. San Diego, not surprisingly was rated first.
This is all based on ERA but wow, no love at all. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thats because that ranking is for Roto purposes, not real life purposes. It doesn't matter that Chase field is a hitters park, and the ERA of the opposing team is likely to be even higher when they come to Arizona.
I would take a composite 4.28 ERA from our rotation in a heartbeat. Figure the bullpen would be even lower and you are talking low 4's.
Low 4 team ERA in this ballpark, with our young offense would translate to 90 wins. |
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biggerunit1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: No love for D-Backs pitching |
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| tmar wrote: |
Roto Authority rates us 10th in the NL
Only better than Col in the NL West. San Diego, not surprisingly was rated first.
This is all based on ERA but wow, no love at all. |
What do you expect from a team that added two 5.00 ERA guys? Roto was being very kind. Nonetheless, 4.28 means another mediocre season all because of crappy starting pitching.... and I make this statement assuming Webb throws under 3.00 this year.
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tmar
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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The roto reply to moans from me and a Marlins fan on our rankings.
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Florida:
Olsen 3.89
Willis 4.00
Johnson 4.05
Mitre 4.42
Sanchez 4.53
Nolasco 4.61
Arizona:
Hernandez 5.16
Webb 3.33
Davis 4.54
Johnson 3.98
Eveland 4.40
(That is solid, I would be happy with that)
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I'm not so much upset with the 4.28 but with how we are rated in the bottom third <or near it> of the NL in starting pitching. I know SD, LA and a few others have nice rotations but ranking SF over us?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone know the ERA for the starting pitching rotation of last years World Series Champions? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Dylan wrote: |
| Anyone know the ERA for the starting pitching rotation of last years World Series Champions? |
Mulder, Carpenter, Suppan, Marquis, and Weaver combined for a regular season 4.77 ERA for the Cardinals. 415 ER's in 782.67 IP's.
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biggerunit1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Dylan wrote: |
| Anyone know the ERA for the starting pitching rotation of last years World Series Champions? |
The World Champion team that was one of the worst pennant winners in MLB history? The team that drew some of the lowest World Series ratings in MLB history?
EDIT: Let me re-phrase. The team that had one of the worst regular season records for a playoff team in MLB history?
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biggerunit1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| tmar wrote: |
The roto reply to moans from me and a Marlins fan on our rankings.
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Florida:
Olsen 3.89
Willis 4.00
Johnson 4.05
Mitre 4.42
Sanchez 4.53
Nolasco 4.61
Arizona:
Hernandez 5.16
Webb 3.33
Davis 4.54
Johnson 3.98
Eveland 4.40
(That is solid, I would be happy with that)
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I'm not so much upset with the 4.28 but with how we are rated in the bottom third <or near it> of the NL in starting pitching. I know SD, LA and a few others have nice rotations but ranking SF over us?
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Well, we did add a 43 year old with a bad back. That and another lefty who has clearly gotten worse every year the past few years. That and we have an "inning eater" whose job is only to get past 6 innings despite runs allowed.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| You'd enjoy the game more if you tried a more optimistic approach, bu1. |
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biggerunit1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| diamondbacker wrote: |
| You'd enjoy the game more if you tried a more optimistic approach, bu1. |
I'm a realist.
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Dylan
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| biggerunit1 wrote: |
| Dylan wrote: |
| Anyone know the ERA for the starting pitching rotation of last years World Series Champions? |
The World Champion team that was one of the worst pennant winners in MLB history? The team that drew some of the lowest World Series ratings in MLB history?
EDIT: Let me re-phrase. The team that had one of the worst regular season records for a playoff team in MLB history?
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I bolded the important parts of your post for you 
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biggerunit1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Dylan wrote: |
| biggerunit1 wrote: |
| Dylan wrote: |
| Anyone know the ERA for the starting pitching rotation of last years World Series Champions? |
The World Champion team that was one of the worst pennant winners in MLB history? The team that drew some of the lowest World Series ratings in MLB history?
EDIT: Let me re-phrase. The team that had one of the worst regular season records for a playoff team in MLB history?
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I bolded the important parts of your post for you
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That's great.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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He bolded the important parts: In a game, it doesn't matter how well you do as long as you do better than the other team on that day.
Same goes with the season: It doesn't matter how dominant your wins are, as long as they're wins. A strong win is a good sign, but it doesn't matter in standings. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| FWIW, a 4.28 team ERA would rank 5th in the NL last year. Considering only starters it would have been 4th. |
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biggerunit1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| matt wrote: |
| FWIW, a 4.28 team ERA would rank 5th in the NL last year. Considering only starters it would have been 4th. |
Ever take into consideration that 2006 was one of the worst pitching seasons in MLB history?
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tmar
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Probably meaningless, but if you take the average of Roto's guesses for the NL you get 4.30. The Std Deviation is .35 with only 2 teams outside the Std Deviation on each side <Padres/Brewers & Nationals/Pirates>.
Even more useless numbers. If you assume 950 innings from your starters the average team would give up 454 ER and the D-Backs would give up 452 ER. The rest of the NLW would like up like:
Padres 403 ER
Dodgers 430 ER
Giants 444 ER
Rockies 487 ER |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| shoewizard wrote: |
| I would take a composite 4.28 ERA from our rotation in a heartbeat. |
Hell yes. We'd be a contender for sure with a starting ERA under 4.3
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| dirtygary wrote: |
| shoewizard wrote: |
| I would take a composite 4.28 ERA from our rotation in a heartbeat. |
Hell yes. We'd be a contender for sure with a starting ERA under 4.3
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The same "contender" that this team has been for the last 2 years? It's really not smart to bet that the NL West will be the NL Worst.
A crappy team ERA will get you in the playoffs if the other teams are even crappier.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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But a team ERA around 4.30 is not crappy, thats the point. It's all relative.
In 1971 it's crappy. In 2007 it won't be. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| shoewizard wrote: |
But a team ERA around 4.30 is not crappy, thats the point. It's all relative.
In 1971 it's crappy. In 2007 it won't be. |
You're right, because today crap is just fine. Crap can get you into the playoffs because so many teams have even crappier pitching. Gotta love the steroid era... there's no more quality pitching anymore.
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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The run environment has changed, but there are many causes for it.
It's not a simple answer or black and white as saying "pitching is crappy" or it's all because of steroids.
BTW, just as many pitchers use steroids orother PED's as hitters, most likely, as many of those caught have pitchers. |
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tmar
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The AL numbers are posted if anyone is interested. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| biggerunit1 wrote: |
| shoewizard wrote: |
But a team ERA around 4.30 is not crappy, thats the point. It's all relative.
In 1971 it's crappy. In 2007 it won't be. |
You're right, because today crap is just fine. Crap can get you into the playoffs because so many teams have even crappier pitching. Gotta love the steroid era... there's no more quality pitching anymore.
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When did this guy show up? What a douchebag. 
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| dirtygary wrote: |
| biggerunit1 wrote: |
| shoewizard wrote: |
But a team ERA around 4.30 is not crappy, thats the point. It's all relative.
In 1971 it's crappy. In 2007 it won't be. |
You're right, because today crap is just fine. Crap can get you into the playoffs because so many teams have even crappier pitching. Gotta love the steroid era... there's no more quality pitching anymore.
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When did this guy show up? What a douchebag.
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Whatever you say Mr. Dirt, I mean Filth, I mean Scum.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| biggerunit1 wrote: |
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But a team ERA around 4.30 is not crappy, thats the point. It's all relative.
In 1971 it's crappy. In 2007 it won't be. |
You're right, because today crap is just fine. Crap can get you into the playoffs because so many teams have even crappier pitching. Gotta love the steroid era... there's no more quality pitching anymore.
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I really love the quality of analysis you bring to this board. It's truly brilliant writing. You do realize that the pitchers have been taking the roids too in this era and last season there weren't roids there were maybe HGH but you have to take into account that expansion has watered down the pitching and that athletes in general have gotten bigger and better naturally since the 60's and 70's based on better dieting and better weight training without performance enhancers. Also the game is gonna go in ebs and flows as to whether the pitching or hitting is more dominant and this era just happens to have the hitters more dominant than the pitchers and at some point it will swing the other way. If if 4.30 ERA is what we have this year we will be in a good spot and who cares if it was good by past standards as long as its good for here and now and gets this team into the playoffs with a chance to play well.
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