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charlie
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 Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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The speculation about reacquiring Randy Johnson has had me thinking about what JB must have in mind for the 2007 season. IMO, there is, or should be, a connection with the RJ deal and Eric Byrnes. It goes like this.
If JB really believes that the Dbacks are a serious contender not only to win the West but advance in the playoffs, then reacquiring RJ makes sense, so long as we don't sacrifice the future by giving away too much young talent. We can eat the money in this scenario but we must not ruin the future.
Given this decision, it only makes sense to peddle Eric Byrnes if RJ comes back. Surely Josh understands EB's talent by now and knows that HE isn't going to be the key to whether we do well, especially after the grind of an entire season when EB has already faded to a shadow of his early season self.
So, IMO, if we DO get RJ back, it will be a given that EB is gone, not only because Hairston (or others?) probably would give us as just as much but
also to save the money.
The second scenario is, Josh is merely stirring up interest here in the off season with the "pursuit" of RJ, not really caring if we get him but willing to take him if we can do so cheaply because he's really looking at the 2008 season far more seriously. If the deal doesn't go through, the fans will still have their pet player (EB) to cheer for as he gets (maybe!) his 20 HRs and 20 SBs and dives for balls and gets his uniform dirty all the time and the departure of Gonzo will not hurt the fan's illogical sensibilities as much. EB could then be traded after a couple of months without much fan fuss.
Josh ought to get rid of EB no matter what, but I have a strong sense that the two scenarios above might be on target. But, I have faith that Josh knows what he is doing.
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Welcome back Charlie, we've all missed you.
I hope you are right that aquiring RJ would signal EB's departure but I wouldn't hold my breath. |
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| matt wrote: |
I hope you are right that aquiring RJ would signal EB's departure but I wouldn't hold my breath. |
That indeed would be a best case scenario... probably too good to be realistically achieved.
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What is Josh Byrnes thinking?
What would Shoewiz do?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| matt wrote: |
| I hope you are right that aquiring RJ would signal EB's departure but I wouldn't hold my breath. |
Acquiring RJ would certainly minimize (if not eliminate) the "face of the franchise" factor with regard to EB; and the impediment (if any) that this perception may play in making it "necessary" to not trade our newly-designated "FotF"/LF.
In my opinion, the addition of RJ, with or without the presence of EB, doesn't really advance the long-term prospects for the success of Diamondbacks in the realm of 2008 and beyond. While I believe that RJ, if he can be as effective in 2007 as he has been over the last two seasons for the NYY, enhances our chances for winning the NL West in 2007, the pricetag -- especially in prospects -- to obtain him will depend on the details, such as they are, when the deal is finalized. Getting him back is certainly not a necessity from my point of view.
Eric Byrnes, of course, must be traded; if not now, certainly by the trade deadline...
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| moviegeekjn wrote: |
| matt wrote: |
I hope you are right that aquiring RJ would signal EB's departure but I wouldn't hold my breath. |
That indeed would be a best case scenario... probably too good to be realistically achieved.
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If we're offering all this to the Yanks, for Rj, couldn't we net Gorz or Harden instead? Let alone Greinke. That way we'd stay younger and cheaper. As much as I like Randy, we're giving up way to much, if its one of our young starters, named Nippert, Ohlendorf, Owings gonzalez, smith, Jackson.
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charlie
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| Welcome back Charlie, we've all missed you. |
Thanks, Matt. I've been a full-time care giver for awhile now and, though I try to read this forum every day, I seldom have the time to delve into any worthwhile post which isn't already covered by one or another of the many brains here already far ahead of me!
Happy New Year to all, though.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Charlie, good seeing you. Your POV is definitely missed here. |
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| Dangerfield wrote: |
| If we're offering all this to the Yanks, for Rj, couldn't we net Gorz or Harden instead? Let alone Greinke. |
Well, if ARI is about to give up X for Johnson, you have to figure it'll cost X2+Y+Z to get those other guys, i.e. "a lot more".
Good to see you Charlie!
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| So my dream of Byrnes for Haren isn't happening? |
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| tmar wrote: |
| So my dream of Byrnes for Haren isn't happening? |
That dream is right up there with Levski's dreams about the Olsen twins...
ok... maybe not... but you get the idea...
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| tmar wrote: |
| So my dream of Byrnes for Haren isn't happening? |
That would be hard to pull off even in Fantasy leagues... well, maybe some of the really stupid free Yahoo leagues that are organized through some of the MLB message boards.
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I missed Charlie, as well!!
I do think, though, that this entire train of thought about Eric Byrnes - that they need him as the face of the franchise to draw fans to the ballpark- is simply incorrect. He's been here ONE season, did OK, over-hustled a lot, and that's about it.
The idea that trading Byrnes would foster a revolt amongst the peasant fan base (charging over the hill with pitchforks!) is simply ridiculous. It would be a small pebble dropped in a pond. A few small ripples and it would be forgotten. |
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levski
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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| charlie wrote: |
If JB really believes that the Dbacks are a serious contender not only to win the West but advance in the playoffs, then reacquiring RJ makes sense, so long as we don't sacrifice the future by giving away too much young talent. We can eat the money in this scenario but we must not ruin the future. |
Charlie, welcome back.
Josh knows very well that RJ makes the Dbacks a legitimate playoff contender, in 2007 and 2008.
Josh does not want to acquire Randy Johnson because he wants all the old ladies in Sun City West to come back fawningly over a proven veteran of the past. If he thought RJ was done, and could not help in 07 or 08, he would not have tried to acquire him.
He had no problems cutting Ortiz, dumping Green and saying 'buh-bye" to Gonzo. He knew they could not contribute. RJ is a different story
Let's have some faith here, all right...
Which reminds me, I'm collecting donations for a gold statue of Josh Byrnes, to be erected one day somewhere by someone. Please send your money to me via paypal...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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| levski wrote: |
| Which reminds me, I'm collecting donations for a gold statue of Josh Byrnes, to be erected one day somewhere by someone. |
Will there be any sacrificing of virgins involved?
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levski
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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| XB3 wrote: |
| levski wrote: |
| Which reminds me, I'm collecting donations for a gold statue of Josh Byrnes, to be erected one day somewhere by someone. |
Will there be any sacrificing of virgins involved?
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we're talking about erections here, aren't we?
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EvilJuan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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| levski wrote: |
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| Which reminds me, I'm collecting donations for a gold statue of Josh Byrnes, to be erected one day somewhere by someone. |
Will there be any sacrificing of virgins involved?
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we're talking about erections here, aren't we?
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XB3, sounds as if the answer to your question is, "No."
That may depend on your definition of "sacrifice..."
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levski
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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| EvilJuan wrote: |
| levski wrote: |
| XB3 wrote: |
| levski wrote: |
| Which reminds me, I'm collecting donations for a gold statue of Josh Byrnes, to be erected one day somewhere by someone. |
Will there be any sacrificing of virgins involved?
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we're talking about erections here, aren't we?
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XB3, sounds as if the answer to your question is, "No."
That may depend on your definition of "sacrifice..."
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Killing them softly...
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Espo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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| levski wrote: |
| EvilJuan wrote: |
| levski wrote: |
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| Which reminds me, I'm collecting donations for a gold statue of Josh Byrnes, to be erected one day somewhere by someone. |
Will there be any sacrificing of virgins involved?
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we're talking about erections here, aren't we?
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XB3, sounds as if the answer to your question is, "No."
That may depend on your definition of "sacrifice..."
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Killing them softly...
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I think there is a spam thread for Viagra on here somewhere that can help you with that.
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EvilJuan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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| Espo wrote: |
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Killing them softly... |
I think there is a spam thread for Viagra on here somewhere that can help you with that.
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Nice tie-in, Espo!
(Not that is was hard to do...)
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moviegeekjn
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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(Not that is was hard to do...) |
Oy... off to the penal colony for spouting such a blatant ejaculation.
Somehow it must be all these Johnson refs that have some poster spewing Harden speculation pre-maturely.... should just put a cap on it.
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EvilJuan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: What is Josh Byrnes thinking? |
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| moviegeekjn wrote: |
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(Not that is was hard to do...) |
Oy... off to the penal colony for spouting such a blatant ejaculation.
Somehow it must be all these Johnson refs that have some poster spewing Harden speculation pre-maturely.... should just put a cap on it.
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And you're picking on me??? 
Surprised you didn't somehow flag "Harden"...
Remember, subtlety is lost on me...
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David B
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heh heh...they said Johnson
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