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Zephon |
Post subject: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:46 am
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With 31 hrs, goldschmidt ties what i believe is mark reynold's record for most HRS by a dback farm hand.
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qudjy1 |
Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:14 am
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Zephon wrote:
With 31 hrs, goldschmidt ties what i believe is mark reynold's record for most HRS by a dback farm hand.
My point still stands from before - i want to see this carry to AA before i get hot and bothered about a prospect with high HR totals in ABall Cal League.
Mark Reynolds eh? I hope thats not the model for success.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:24 am
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qudjy1 wrote:
Zephon wrote:
With 31 hrs, goldschmidt ties what i believe is mark reynold's record for most HRS by a dback farm hand.
My point still stands from before - i want to see this carry to AA before i get hot and bothered about a prospect with high HR totals in ABall Cal League.
Mark Reynolds eh? I hope thats not the model for success.
I would hope that's not the model for mediocre either...
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:47 am
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Qudjy, I've actually always agreed with you on your point about goldschmidt. One of my good friends(former snakepitter, and now intern for the dbacks, dan strittmatter) and i have been debating goldschmidt and krauss for a while. Goldschmidt's power has never been questioned as anything but legitimate, it's the strikeouts that are the real problem. but in hid defense he has improved his K:BB ratio in the last couple months. It's really at the point where he has nothing left to prove in Visalia.
So if goldschmidt hits anywhere close to the way he has in Mobile qudjy, I wanna see something like "Paul Goldschmidt is my daddy" in your sig. 
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:56 am
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Im not saying he sucks either. Just to me, slightly better than a total unknown.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:10 am
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49 in two years...
he needs to get bumped up....
AA to much of a jump?
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:55 am
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Zephon wrote:
Qudjy, I've actually always agreed with you on your point about goldschmidt. One of my good friends(former snakepitter, and now intern for the dbacks, dan strittmatter) and i have been debating goldschmidt and krauss for a while. Goldschmidt's power has never been questioned as anything but legitimate, it's the strikeouts that are the real problem. but in hid defense he has improved his K:BB ratio in the last couple months. It's really at the point where he has nothing left to prove in Visalia.
So if goldschmidt hits anywhere close to the way he has in Mobile qudjy, I wanna see something like "Paul Goldschmidt is my daddy" in your sig. 
+1....but I'm not seeing a callup to Mobile with both Visalia and Mobile in pennant races in their repective leagues. I wouldn't be surprised to see Goldy...and Krauss for that matter, both stay at HiA for the entire season...barring injuries to players at higher levels. If you think about it...what would be the reason to take either one of them up at this late time in the year...to get 100-125 AB's at the AA level? Would that be enough time to see what they can do in AA?
Either way...they've both had fine seasons and here's hoping they can finish their seasons healthy while helping their team win and earn a playoff opportunity.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:00 pm
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bigyellowbud wrote:
I'm not seeing a callup to Mobile with both Visalia and Mobile in pennant races in their repective leagues. I wouldn't be surprised to see Goldy...and Krauss for that matter, both stay at HiA for the entire season...barring injuries to players at higher levels. If you think about it...what would be the reason to take either one of them up at this late time in the year...to get 100-125 AB's at the AA level? Would that be enough time to see what they can do in AA?.
This, and the fact that, in a more or less complete rebuild, there's no rush to moving these guys along.
Goldie still has holes in his game, both defensively and with K/BB. Krauss doesn't have the world's best discipline, either.
With the vast majority of the system's talent in A and A+, there's no real need to rush these guys. Better to let them develop fully so that they're all ready to go and break into the Bigs around the same time.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:07 pm
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Yeah - i agree - no real reason to rush.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:15 pm
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so it is safe to say he is not worth moving to AA just yet?
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:31 pm
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN wrote:
so it is safe to say he is not worth moving to AA just yet?
Who knows. Im not sure there is much point to it at this point. Maybe Fall league.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:40 pm
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I'm hoping he'll be their one A-ball player, but it really depends on the positions they need to fill. Any other OF'ers they'd send from higher levels besides Cowgill?
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:51 pm
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Oden wrote:
I'm hoping he'll be their one A-ball player, but it really depends on the positions they need to fill. Any other OF'ers they'd send from higher levels besides Cowgill?
I'd have to guess giving Ollie Linton the opportunity would be worthwhile.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:54 pm
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Yeah or Frey. I'm going to start an AFL thread.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:00 pm
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Some interesting numbers:
Goldschmidt is 22 in A+, was 21 last year
A- Rookie HR% 5.4 BB% 10.8 K% 22.3 BB/K .486
A+ Visalia HR% 6.0 BB% 8.1 K% 25.2 BB/k .322
Notable here is that the HR %, which is his core skill went up just 11%. Meanwhile his BB% went down 25% and his K% went up 13%, accordingly an already poor BB/K got considerable worse this year.
Reynolds age 22 in 2006
A+ Lancaster HR% 6.9 BB% 11.1 K% 24.3
AA Mobile HR% 6.3 BB% 8.7 K% 29.1
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AA Mobile HR% 3.9 BB% 12.9 K% 20.6
MLB Career HR% 5.4 BB% 11.1 K% 33.3
When Reynolds was promoted in 2006 to AA, he slumped for his first 50 PA's or so, and then got hot. You can see his A+ numbers were superior to Goldschmidts, but they are similar, with the biggest difference in the walk rate. Reynolds seemed to be making progress in his BB & K rates in 2007 when called up, but sacrificing power to do so. Obviously, he has done neither at the MLB level. He certaninly hasn't sacrificed power, OR improved his plate discipline. Well...his walk rate is respectable.
In comparing these aspects of these two players, I would say that while it's pretty cool that Goldschmidt hits this many homers, they really need him to continue to focus on cutting down on his K's, as if you have a 25% K rate in hi A, it translates to over 30% in MLB unless you improve significantly.
There was a comment above that the last two months have seen improvement for him.......thats true.
June/July BB% 11.0, K% 22.5
If he can get that K% UNDER 20% for the remainder of the season, and carry a sub 20% K rate into AA, that would be a sign to me he is improving to the point where he won't just be another 150-200 K guy that runs into one once in a while in the majors.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:02 pm
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The fact that we are talking about Goldschmidt at all is a testement to his work ethic. He wasn't expected to do anything worthy of mention in pro ball and has been hitting well for two full years now. I happen to be a grad student at Texas State, where he went to college, and his work ethic on the field and in the classroom is well known here. With his natural power and dedication, I certainly won't discount his potential to play in the majors. I'm definitely pulling for him.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:14 am
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http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... pid=502671
For those who want to follow his daily progress.
2 more ks last night. 5 in his last 2 games.
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:07 am
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3 more Ks last night. Thats 8 in his last 3 games.  
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:13 am
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qudjy1 wrote:
3 more Ks last night. Thats 8 in his last 3 games.  
Where have we seen this before ?
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Post subject: Re: Paul Goldschmidt
Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:17 am
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So we have another Mark Reynolds?
Fucking great. This is going to be even more of a frustrating team....
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