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 Post Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:03 am 
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D backs as of right now would have teh #4pick. They are 1 game ahead of the Rockies who would have the number 3 pick if the season ended today. Texas looks like a lock for number 1 pick overall. Astros get #2 pick because they didn't sign Aiken. If the D Backs get "hot" they could play themselves out of a top 4pick, but it's unlikely they end up with lower than the 6th overall pick.

Standings thru September 6th

Here are 3rd overall picks of the last 20 years that have played in the majors (ranked by WAR)

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Year             Tm                     Name Pos  WAR    G   AB  HR   BA  OPS   G  W  L  ERA WHIP  SV
2006     Devil Rays    Evan Longoria(minors)  3B 38.9  940 3529 180 .271                         .846
1997         Angels       Troy Glaus(minors)  3B 37.9 1537 5410 320 .254                         .847
1995       Mariners        Jose Cruz(minors)  OF 19.5 1388 4724 204 .247                         .783
1994         Padres Dustin Hermanson(minors) RHP 11.3  358  322   2 .093 .278 357 73 78 4.21 1.36  56
2010        Orioles    Manny Machado(minors)  SS 10.3  289 1185  33 .278                         .747
1998           Cubs  Corey Patterson(minors)  OF  9.6 1230 4171 118 .252                         .691
1996      Cardinals    Braden Looper(minors) RHP  8.8  679  186   0 .215 .517 670 72 65 4.15 1.37 103
2008         Royals      Eric Hosmer(minors)  1B  4.8  548 2108  56 .274                         .741
2011   Diamondbacks     Trevor Bauer(minors) RHP  0.9   30    7   0 .000 .000  30  7 11 4.42 1.48   0
2004           Mets    Philip Humber(minors) RHP  0.9   97   11   0 .091 .182  97 16 23 5.31 1.42   0
2012       Mariners      Mike Zunino(minors)   C  0.8  164  557  25 .203                         .646
2005       Mariners     Jeff Clement(minors)   C -1.2  152  385  14 .218                         .648
2000           Cubs    Luis Montanez(minors)  SS -1.2  129  305   5 .223                         .586
2007           Cubs     Josh Vitters(minors)  3B -1.3   36   99   2 .121                         .395
1999         Tigers      Eric Munson(minors)   C -1.4  361 1056  49 .214                         .683
2001     Devil Rays  Dewon Brazelton(minors) RHP -3.0   63    6   0 .167 .500  63  8 25 6.38 1.68   0


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Generated 9/7/2014.


Here are number 2 overall picks of the last 20 years that have played in the majors

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Year           Tm                     Name Pos  WAR    G   AB  HR   BA  OPS   G   W   L   ERA WHIP SV
1997     Phillies        J.D. Drew(minors)  OF 44.9 1566 5173 242 .278                           .873
2004       Tigers Justin Verlander(minors) RHP 40.8  294   32   0 .063 .125 294 149  89  3.54 1.21  0
1999      Marlins     Josh Beckett(minors) RHP 36.2  335  289   3 .142 .390 335 138 106  3.88 1.23  0
2005       Royals      Alex Gordon(minors)  3B 27.8 1011 3823 121 .270                           .784
1998    Athletics      Mark Mulder(minors) LHP 20.0  205  111   1 .162 .435 205 103  60  4.18 1.34  0
2001         Cubs       Mark Prior(minors) RHP 16.5  108  204   1 .201 .496 106  42  29  3.51 1.23  0
2002   Devil Rays       B.J. Upton(minors)  SS 12.9 1220 4439 137 .244                           .724
2003      Brewers     Rickie Weeks(minors)  2B 12.1 1127 4030 146 .248                           .769
2009     Mariners    Dustin Ackley(minors)  CF  8.5  486 1778  33 .247                           .677
1996        Twins       Travis Lee(minors)  1B  7.2 1099 3740 115 .256                           .745
2008      Pirates    Pedro Alvarez(minors)  3B  5.4  592 2063 104 .235                           .742
2007       Royals   Mike Moustakas(minors)  SS  4.4  493 1762  52 .236                           .671
1995       Padres        Ben Davis(minors)   C  2.9  486 1512  38 .237                           .672
2000        Twins     Adam Johnson(minors) RHP -1.1    9    2   0 .000 .000   9   1   3 10.25 2.05  0
2006      Rockies    Greg Reynolds(minors) RHP -1.6   33   30   0 .167 .460  33   6  11  7.01 1.65  0


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Generated 9/7/2014.

And here are the number 4 overall picks of the last 20 years that have played in the majors. Pretty steep dropoff from number 2 and number 3.

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Year           Tm                    Name Pos  WAR    G   AB  HR   BA  OPS   G  W  L  ERA WHIP  SV
2005    Nationals  Ryan Zimmerman(minors)  3B 34.5 1190 4624 184 .286                         .828
1995         Cubs      Kerry Wood(minors) RHP 27.7  449  346   7 .171 .444 446 86 75 3.67 1.27  63
2001     Phillies     Gavin Floyd(minors) RHP 15.6  208   74   0 .068 .160 208 72 72 4.40 1.33   0
1996    Blue Jays      Billy Koch(minors) RHP  5.6  379    2   0 .000 .000 379 29 25 3.89 1.40 163
1997       Giants    Jason Grilli(minors) RHP  4.6  438   15   1 .200 .600 438 22 31 4.10 1.37  50
2004   Devil Rays    Jeff Niemann(minors) RHP  4.1   97   13   0 .077 .154  97 40 26 4.08 1.29   0
2003       Padres    Tim Stauffer(minors) RHP  4.1  178  138   0 .152 .354 177 32 34 3.86 1.31   0
2008      Orioles    Brian Matusz(minors) LHP  2.2  208    8   0 .125 .250 208 26 37 4.98 1.46   0
2006      Pirates    Brad Lincoln(minors) RHP  0.5  101   38   0 .237 .520  99  9 11 4.74 1.39   1
2002      Orioles     Adam Loewen(minors) LHP  0.5   49   34   1 .176 .576  35  8  8 5.38 1.64   0
2012      Orioles   Kevin Gausman(minors) RHP  0.4   37    4   0 .000 .000  37 10 12 4.44 1.34   0
2009      Pirates    Tony Sanchez(minors)   C  0.4   45  132   4 .258                         .687
2007      Pirates   Daniel Moskos(minors) LHP  0.2   31    0             0  31  1  1 2.96 1.56   0
2011      Orioles     Dylan Bundy(minors) RHP  0.1    2    0             0   2  0  0 0.00 1.20   0
1998       Royals     Jeff Austin(minors) RHP -0.7   38    8   0 .125 .250  38  2  3 6.75 1.68   0
2010       Royals Christian Colon(minors)       SS   20   43   0 .302                         .790


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 9/7/2014.

EDITED DUE TO MY ERROR ON THE DRAFT PICK ORDER. AS POINTED OUT BY BAUER WANNABE HOUSTON GETS #2 PICK. SO D BACKS CURRENTLY HAVE 4TH PICK. IT PROBABLY BEHOOVES THEM TO FALL BEHIND THE ROCKIES AND GET THE 3RD PICK AT LEAST.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Draft
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They would have the 4th overall. Houston, thanks to their BS, have the #2 pick.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Draft
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Thanks for correction. Can you please explain a little more clearly how Houston has #2 pick. Don't doubt you are correct, just didn't quite understand.

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EDIT: Nevermind, I was asleep at the wheel.

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The Astros will receive the second overall pick in the 2015 draft as compensation for failing to reach an agreement with Aiken. However, they will receive no compensation for missing out on Nix.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Draft
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shoewizard wrote:
D backs as of right now would have teh #4pick. They are 1 game ahead of the Rockies who would have the number 3 pick if the season ended today. Texas looks like a lock for number 1 pick overall. Astros get #2 pick because they didn't sign Aiken. If the D Backs get "hot" they could play themselves out of a top 4pick, but it's unlikely they end up with lower than the 6th overall pick.


Through 9/11/2014:
Texas 54-92 (-165 run differential)
Arizona 59-87 (-114 run differential)
Colorado 59-87 (-79 run differential)

Run differential provided for informational purposes only.

I assume the tiebreaker for AZ/CO would be games against each other this season. Arizona is 9-6 versus Colorado so far this season with 4 games remaining in Colorado. If Colorado sweeps those 4 games, CO would take the season series 10-9. Would that give AZ the edge in the 2015 draft assuming a tie in the standings between AZ and CO?

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At this point, and as these stats show, it's legitimately better for the Dbacks to tank the last nine games. Nothing will be gained from finishing strong for "pride" and "some good momentum heading into next season" (which of course is a fallacy).

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Only 1/2 game out of the #1 Pick! :)


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azentropy wrote:
Only 1/2 game out of the #1 Pick! :)


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Only 1/2 game out of the #1 Pick! :)


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Nick Piecoro: Diamondbacks in race for top draft pick

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The magic number is now one.


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This is interesting.

Evil Juan (in a post at the end of yesterday's GameDay thread) questioned the organization's track record with high picks. He specifically mentioned "top 3" picks, of which - I hasten to point out - AZ has actually only had two and, for my money, spent them well. J-Up (#1 in 2005) and Trevor Bauer (#3 in 2011).

The larger issue, in my view, is the organization's track record with top-ten picks. It isn't encouraging.

First, a recap of first-round history: AZ has had (by my unofficial count) 27 first round draft choices, including "supplemental" picks.

There were two years the org had no first round pick:
1998: Lost the first round pick to the KC Royals as compensation for signing Jay Bell (for which Gylene Hoyle will be eternally grateful - and of course for which ALL Dback fans will be grateful as Jay scored the winning run in their only World Championship game).
2000: Lost the first round pick to the Atlanta Braves as compensation for signing -0.3 WAR/$3.425mm salary Russ Springer. The hapless Braves wasted that pick (#29) on some chump named Adam Wainright.

So back to the ACTUAL top picks - and I have arbitrarily set the bar at top-ten picks. So all Dback draft picks that were between #1 and #10 since inception. . . because my recollection (which is significantly less than 20-20) is that they haven't used them wisely.

There have been five. I already noted Upton and Bauer. No complaint from me about either, despite the organization's mishandling (in my view) of each asset.

The other three?

1999: Corey Myers, SS out of Desert Vista HS in Phoenix. Seriously?
2010: Barret Loux, RHP out of Texas A&M. Couldn't sign him. Really?
2011: Archie Bradley, RHP out of Broken Arrow HS in BA, OK. Fading, but not written off.

So, yeah. Not exactly inspiring. . . unless you limit yourself to their top three picks, both of which were solid, in my view. And Bradley is still out there.

Let's just say I'm not holding my breath, but am hoping for a nice surprise. It hasn't been as disastrous as my memory would insist.

The real issue is what they do with these assets after they draft them. Upton and Bauer were wasted and Bradley still has command issues. (My opinion only, YMMV.)


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2011 shows what a crap shoot the draft is. Re Bauer, the problem started with giving him the idea that he could do it "his way", regardless of results, making it questionable why they picked him in the first place.

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Steve Gilbert: The Rangers win tonight means the #Dbacks own No. 1 pick in next year's draft. 2nd time in franchise history they'll have MLB worst record.

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TAP wrote:
Steve Gilbert: The Rangers win tonight means the #Dbacks own No. 1 pick in next year's draft. 2nd time in franchise history they'll have MLB worst record.



almost... Magic # is 1

Rockies are 3 GB, so in the unlikely scenario where we sweep StL and they get swept its a tie and that goes to the Rockies.

So we're close to clinching, but need 1 more blowout loss to clinch. :D


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I think Cahill can make that happen

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The #1 pick is ours!!!!


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Will Daz be the guy?


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Its looking like (albeit VERY early) either Duke RHP Michael Matuella or Prep OF Daz Cameron...the potential of Cameron may be too much to pass on.


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Ron B wrote:
Its looking like (albeit VERY early) either Duke RHP Michael Matuella or Prep OF Daz Cameron...the potential of Cameron may be too much to pass on.


Pitchers are such a crapshoot (more so than hitters anyway) that, all things being equal, I'd rather take Cameron if that's the choice. Hopefully the Stew Crew (I feel like I should trademark that, LOL) will make a well-researched decision.

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Ryan wrote:
Ron B wrote:
Its looking like (albeit VERY early) either Duke RHP Michael Matuella or Prep OF Daz Cameron...the potential of Cameron may be too much to pass on.


Pitchers are such a crapshoot (more so than hitters anyway) that, all things being equal, I'd rather take Cameron if that's the choice. Hopefully the Stew Crew (I feel like I should trademark that, LOL) will make a well-researched decision.


I tend to agree with you. Once you also figure in the injury factor that ultimately comes with pitchers, Matuella would have to be far and away the better prospect. Not sure that's the case right now, although there is a lot of time for that to change.


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