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 Post subject: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:43 am 
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He deserves his own thread. We would not be where we are today in the standings without Pollock. At 25 years of age, this former 1st Round pick (17th overall) is a Gold Glove candidate this year and potential All-Star in next few.

G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
31 93 81 8 20 4 1 2 8 1 2 9 11 .247 .315 .395 .710 88
47 174 165 23 46 16 0 4 17 6 2 7 34 .279 .306 .448 .755 102

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:19 am 
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FWIW, Pollock leads all NL center fielders in total zone runs (second for all outfielders. Parra leads all NL outfielders (second in rf). j. Uption is first in left field (5th all outfielders).

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagu ... ders.shtml

Fangraphs hates J. Up D and has him negative. Pollock is second at fangraphs for cf's and Parra 5th.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
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Rawlings is creating yet another fielding stat and that stat will be sent to the voters for Gold Gloves (managers and up to 6 coaches for team). The linked article also says that the voters can only vote for qualified candidates. I don't know what "qualified" means but I assume it is based on some inning at position requirement so as to avoid the embarrassment of a dh being given a gold glove (which has happened).

http://sabr.org/latest/rawlings-gold-gl ... onent-sabr

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:55 pm 
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stu wrote:
Rawlings is creating yet another fielding stat and that stat will be sent to the voters for Gold Gloves (managers and up to 6 coaches for team). The linked article also says that the voters can only vote for qualified candidates. I don't know what "qualified" means but I assume it is based on some inning at position requirement so as to avoid the embarrassment of a dh being given a gold glove (which has happened).

http://sabr.org/latest/rawlings-gold-gl ... onent-sabr



BTF Discussion Link Here in case you are interested.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
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Thanks. It was interesting.

Has BTF gone down hill (your posts excepted of course)? It seems mainly political (even this thread with the proprietary issues fall into this category) or hackney rehashes of topics already discussed to death (mainly issues where the MSM has it "wrong'). Even this thread devolved into that with several posts on Jeter's fielding.

BTF used to have discussions about current moves. That seems to be mainly a thing of the past.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:02 am 
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I bet the Angels wished that Pollock had dropped to them at #25 so they can draft him instead...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft ... ype=junreg

Do you think the Angels wish they hadn't traded their 40th and 80th pick from that same draft?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft ... ranch_year

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:42 pm 
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stu wrote:
Thanks. It was interesting.

Has BTF gone down hill (your posts excepted of course)? It seems mainly political (even this thread with the proprietary issues fall into this category) or hackney rehashes of topics already discussed to death (mainly issues where the MSM has it "wrong'). Even this thread devolved into that with several posts on Jeter's fielding.

BTF used to have discussions about current moves. That seems to be mainly a thing of the past.


Dan Zymborski used to run the transaction oracle, but he took a paying job behind the Insider wall at ESPN. Somebody else was supposed to keep that going, but without Zym's projections and wit, it wasn't the same, and it died quickly.

Very much missed. Zym was the best thing about BTF. He still posts once in a while, but pretty much has disappeared since joining ESPN.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:51 pm 
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Great links, guys. And discussions/explanations. Thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
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shoewizard wrote:
stu wrote:
Thanks. It was interesting.

Has BTF gone down hill (your posts excepted of course)? It seems mainly political (even this thread with the proprietary issues fall into this category) or hackney rehashes of topics already discussed to death (mainly issues where the MSM has it "wrong'). Even this thread devolved into that with several posts on Jeter's fielding.

BTF used to have discussions about current moves. That seems to be mainly a thing of the past.


Dan Zymborski used to run the transaction oracle, but he took a paying job behind the Insider wall at ESPN. Somebody else was supposed to keep that going, but without Zym's projections and wit, it wasn't the same, and it died quickly.

Very much missed. Zym was the best thing about BTF. He still posts once in a while, but pretty much has disappeared since joining ESPN.


Has Dan traded an S for a Z?

He was good, but there also articles that generated discussions on trades, moves, etc. BTF doesn't seem to be much about baseball any more except as a starting point for trashing MSM and baseball people and politics

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
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stu wrote:
Has Dan traded an S for a Z?

He was good, but there also articles that generated discussions on trades, moves, etc. BTF doesn't seem to be much about baseball any more except as a starting point for trashing MSM and baseball people and politics


He's a Z after S! Best of both words.

I haven't been a regular poster on BTF for years. Partly, Mets have been awful so there hasn't been a reason to bait Mets fans there. Partly, the site has become less about baseball and more about politics, religion and basketball or whatever the hot event is currently.

The days when you could learn something about baseball on BTF are long long long gone.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:24 am 
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levski wrote:
stu wrote:
Has Dan traded an S for a Z?

He was good, but there also articles that generated discussions on trades, moves, etc. BTF doesn't seem to be much about baseball any more except as a starting point for trashing MSM and baseball people and politics


He's a Z after S! Best of both words.

I haven't been a regular poster on BTF for years. Partly, Mets have been awful so there hasn't been a reason to bait Mets fans there. Partly, the site has become less about baseball and more about politics, religion and basketball or whatever the hot event is currently.

The days when you could learn something about baseball on BTF are long long long gone.


A ha! That's the problem. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
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That's too bad. I didn't visit it much but it was a great place to learn.


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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:49 pm 
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stu wrote:
levski wrote:
stu wrote:
Has Dan traded an S for a Z?

He was good, but there also articles that generated discussions on trades, moves, etc. BTF doesn't seem to be much about baseball any more except as a starting point for trashing MSM and baseball people and politics


He's a Z after S! Best of both words.

I haven't been a regular poster on BTF for years. Partly, Mets have been awful so there hasn't been a reason to bait Mets fans there. Partly, the site has become less about baseball and more about politics, religion and basketball or whatever the hot event is currently.

The days when you could learn something about baseball on BTF are long long long gone.


A ha! That's the problem. ;)


And of the solution!

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:06 pm 
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Pollocks comps thru age 25

1.Shane Victorino (975)
2.Leonys Martin (974)
3.Jerry Lynch (973)
4.Hal McRae (973)
5.Jake Stahl (972)
6.Alex Ochoa (969)
7.Liz Funk (969)
8.Leon Roberts (968)
9.Pat Tabler (966)
10.Rick Miller (966)


Age 26 on, 8 Years, 2914 AB, 11.7 WAR .279/.347/.418 106 OPS+

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:05 pm 
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Those are interesting. There are two guys (Lynch and Tabler) who were known as good hit no field guys. Lynch would up being a ph specialist. Maybe Table too but I think of him as a singles hitter.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:51 pm 
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I would put McRae in the good hit no field category too.

Victorino is, or rather was a switch hitter up until this year.....but he is a promising comp.

Rick Miller was considered a top flight defensive CF in his day, less power but better on base skills that Pollock has shown so far

Of course we all know these BB-Ref comps have a lot of limitations, but they are still interesting data points.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:20 am 
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Alex Ochoa once led all of baseball in spring training home runs. So that has to be encouraging for AJ's career.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:48 am 
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If AJP developed into a Victorino-type, that would be great.

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 Post subject: Re: AJ Pollock
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:50 am 
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=LklqR

Pollock comps out well to aaron round statistically thru age 25

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