Revision: ASU six wins, possibly seven, with a slight chance for eight if they can stay reasonably healthy.

That was an ugly trip to Cali! For both teams.

Seriously…

Since the Cardinals concluded last season, ASUhoops, Suns, Coyotes, and dbax have all posted sub-.500 records. Leaving ASUfootball and the Cards as the last chance for a winning sports team in PHX. And if they are unable to reach .500, ZonaHoops will be the only major mens team in Arizona to finish their season in 2016 with a winning record. Out of 8 teams. Ugh.

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Vin Scully.

The two Arizona teams sure do suck at football this year

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When giant corndogs and ice cream are more important than winning baseball

Does UofA have injury issues too? I haven't followed them at all. ASU was off to a decent start, but injuries have killed the season. They had 9 or 10 starters out vs. Oregon on Sat and are down to the 4th QB, burning his redshirt. The pass D was going to suck all year anyway, but injuries put the final nail in the coffin.

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"Tomorrow is not promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

yes Arizona also has injuries all over the place

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Winning may not be everything, but losing has little to recommend it.

Arizona hoops depth is going to be an issue this year 7 scholarship players with these player OUT Ray Smith (injured) Chance Comanche (academically ineligible) and Trier (suspended)

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Winning may not be everything, but losing has little to recommend it.

Ugh, rough few weeks for the AZ teams. ASU drops 3 in a row with another tough game this wknd, UA is down to 4th string QB and isn't going to win a conference game, and ArizonaHoops loses multiple contributors in a week. And that poor kid, Ray Smith, that was so sad to watch happen. Didn't look any worse than any other normal basketball play. Such a shame. He was the #15 ranked high school player and in the projected for the 1st round on the 2018 NBA Draft Board.

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Vin Scully.

It's painfully obvious that Todd Graham and his staff can't coach. Yeah, they've had a lot of injuries, but it looks like the coaches spent zero time coaching the young players on the three and four deep depth chart before the season.

Graham and his staff must go, but they probably won't.

The Game for "The Cup" should be a loser leaves the state matchup between Graham and RichRod!

So true. My primary interest is seeing whether my suggestion to bring a podium out on the field for the Territorial Cup presentation with all the confetti/etc that I emailed GByrne about is taken.

Also, Shadow (or anybody else): do you have a bovada account? A friend introduced me to a Bitcoin deposit/withdrawal workaround and I've successfully completed the cycle of deposit into account through withdrawal to checking. And on Saturday night, I played the longshot Next Score Other +15000 in the UW/USC game and the it hit when the UW QB's knee touched ground in end zone with less than a minute to play. My $6 wager paid out $900. First jackpot I've ever hit, easily the happiest moment of my life when I saw the officiating crew going back to review the play and then put their hands up in the safety sign.

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Vin Scully.

Very nice hit!

Dont have a Bovada account but have been with 5 dimes for years.

Have had a hard time hitting my college games this year but have been doing well with future bets.

Have a large chunk on Bama winning it all at 6-1 and a small amount on Louisville at 80-1.

Hit with ASU golfer Pat Perez on Sunday at 100-1! Made me feel a whole lot better after a rough Saturday night.

Wow!! That's a helluva score, too!

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Vin Scully.

Ya good thing too I lost my ass on SDST yesterday but woke up to find my 66-1 golf pick Mathew Fitzpatrick won in European golf!

Cant pick a college football game to save my life but hitting on the links. Got Charlie Three Stick on the mens tour and Lydia and Ariya on the womens today so it might turn into a great week $$$.

Well its time for the Pillow Fight For the CUP!

Both teams suck, both teams should fire their coaches but cant afford it and that my friends is the story of college football in Arizona.

Wife and I have tickets and she cant make up her mind if we should go or give them away and just watch it at home.

Im pretty sure after 15 years of being season ticket holders this is our last year.

Yeah, it's a really sad state the two programs are in. Wouldn't have guessed they'd be where they are now after each winning the Pac12South in consecutive years.

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Vin Scully.

cats hoops loses to Butler but THE CUP is staying in Tucson

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Winning may not be everything, but losing has little to recommend it.

Injuries be damned, there is no way Graham and his staff should be with ASU past Dec. 1st (2016). It will be difficult to get a decent coach with Adidas as sponsor.

I'm reading that Graham has a $14MM buyout. Don't see how ASU can afford that. RichRod's is $8MM, and media has been reporting that he was not going to be fired even if he had lost to ASU. Buyout has a lot to do with it for both sides.

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I miss Daron in the booth. If you agree, make this signature your own.

Hell of a flag football game on friday night. I think it set back football 100 years.

Couple of notes. Line on this game started at ASU -7 by kickoff it was down to ASU -1. Takes a lot of cash to move a line that much.

Was told ASU players didnt want a bowl game or more practices with Graham. Maybe all that preaching is getting old.

UofA did not throw 1 pass in the second half. Think about that one. I guess if the Devil D didnt want to tackle why not.

Best tackle of the night went to Miss Arizona!

Both programs think they are BIG TIME but if they were they would spend less time worrying about buyouts and spend more time on the phone to PJ Fleck.

Best part of the evening they kept putting the hoops score up on the big screen when the kitties were leading. Then they stopped.

That and the idiot PA announcer telling people to remain in their seats and not to storm the field.