Diamondbacks Bullpen

Oden · Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject:

Mulder isn't ready at the start of the year, so I don't think that cramps AZ's style for finding one of the young guys to start the year. How much do they really want to keep Livan? Once Mulder would be ready, there is space available.
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TAP · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:05 am Post subject:

baldmaga · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:17 am Post subject:

I don't even see why we are trying to get a closer...especially if we have to give up Tracy. If they really have lost all confidence in him and are trying to to sell high...is the 35 year old Akinori Otsuka the best they can do?

Oden · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:56 am Post subject:

I don't think the fact that a reliever is 35 is a point of concern.
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oops missed it above sorry.

TAP · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:22 am Post subject:

Oden · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:31 am Post subject:

"Why not? Relievers are less likely to decline?"

Sure, if you want to generalize. I'm saying that's not a deal-breaker by any means with this guy. Why should it be?
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Espo · MLB Rookie Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 173

If you trade Chad Tracy for a reliever who would play 3B for this team? I think it would have to be part of a larger trade plan. You can't take away a key part of your offense for a bullpen arm.

Dangerfield · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:36 am Post subject:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=tracych01:Chad+Tracy&st=int&compage=25&age=25

Littlefield should of hopped on Laroche and Davies, a for Gonzo and then packaged one of his big 3 lefties, for second/or thirdbaseman. Sanchez is capable of playing either.Nady came into his own last year, he's an adequate right fielder.

I really think, trading Chad T will be a mistake in the end.
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shoewizard · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:37 am Post subject:

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My concern would be to trade a 24 year old with potential, for a 35 YO pitcher with alot of innings on his arm (in Japan) when we really arent going to compete this year (maybe thats the fault in my logic - are we competing this year?). When does Otsuka figure to start to decline?

EDIT: Ok - Maybe he doesnt have as much milage on his arm as i thought...

I dont know... it wouldnt be the worst - i just feel quesy about it...

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:44 am Post subject:

I think JB looks at the Dodgers, and how their offense appears to be weakened quite a bit from last year, and figures if their bullpen breaks down, or Jason Schmidt does not return to 2003-2004 form, they really are not that formidable.

So there is a chance the D backs could sneak in and steal the west...and of course they would control Otsuka for 3 years, so in addition to having him for 2007, they would have him for the supposed pennant runs of 2008-2009 too.

Clearly they don't have confidence in Valverde or Julio to hand either of them the job for an entire year again, and there is nobody else on the team they feel comfortable with in that role either.

I am not defending ANYTHING.....I don't like giving up alot of young talent for a reliever, even a very goodone, which is what Otsuka is. We have been burned in the past, but keep in mind this is not Randy Choate we would be getting back. Or even Matt Mantei. Otsuka may be 35 next season, but he has been pretty healthy in his career I believe.

Dangerfield · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:46 am Post subject:

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:55 am Post subject:

5 of his walks and 11 of his earned runs came in 1.1 IP in Chase Field in 2005. He actually did well against the d backs in San Diego that year, it was here that he got killed.

Weird

In NON Chase Field appearances in 2005 he threw 61.1 IP, walked 29 and gave up 14 earned runs. (2.05 ERA)

Dangerfield · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:

lefty/righty split?
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shoewizard · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:05 am Post subject:

Slightly higher walk rate vs. lefty's in 2005, but overall, actually much more effective vs.l LHB

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Dangerfield · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:22 am Post subject:

Aaron · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

You'd have to think that Tracy for Mike Gonzo involves more than that wouldn't you? That'd open up a huge hole in the offense, Tracy's disspointing progression notwithstanding. Maybe one of Pittsburgh's young pitchers.

shoewizard · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:34 am Post subject:

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matt · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:56 am Post subject:

I guess I need to come to terms with the fact that Scott Hairston will never be allowed to help the DBacks. If that is the case, getting someone of Otsuka's caliber would be great.

matt · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: