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shoewizard
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 Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: What about Eric Gagne? |
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Byrnes and Melvin seem to have been exploring possible trades for bullpen help. I was just wondering if anyone thinks throwing an offer Gagne's way is worth the time and effort? I realize he is a Boras client, so a cheap incentive deal is not likely. But 3 or 4 million guaranteed for one year, with a club option on year two and some kind of buyout if option deceline might not be the worst offer he would receive.
Trading away a young starter with back of the rotation potential and 6 years of control would not seem to be a good idea. Certainly that type of player is worth 3 million in a straight cash deal, no?
Maybe the risk is just too high, this is not a proposal, I was curious what other people think. Is this a stupid idea? |
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Tucson DBacks Fan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Gagne presents a lot of the same problems for the Diamondbacks Mulder does. He is high profile and there are other teams out there that might want to sign him, too. There are other teams that would pay him more and that would give him a contract with incentives which the Diamondbacks reportedly don't do. Plus Byrnes has told every one he prefers trades, and I believe him. If the Diamondbacks pick up a free agent, it would probably be a less expensive one. I don't disagree with that approach in this crazy free agent market. The Diamondbacks have thrown away too much money in their early years to take a lot of chances with the free agents this year. Some team(s) will sign Mulder and Gagne. The Diamondbacks might offer them something, but it will not be enough.  |
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azentropy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure he is worth $3 million, but from what I heard on MLB Radio yesterday he is looking for at $6 - $8 million for a one year deal. |
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tmar
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| If they trade Byrnes to pick up the extra $$ to sign him, I have no problem spending $6-8MM on a chance for the year. <mostly just to see what Hairston can do in LF> |
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Espo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| tmar wrote: |
| If they trade Byrnes to pick up the extra $$ to sign him, I have no problem spending $6-8MM on a chance for the year. <mostly just to see what Hairston can do in LF> |
I don't think he is worth $6-8m if there hasn't been another starter added. Also why not take a chance on Keith Foulke for less money and what sounds like less risk.
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Tucson DBacks Fan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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A guy coming off an injury who has had many others? A guy who may not even be able to pitch effectively next year wants a team to gamble 6-8 million dollars on for that year? Are there any suckers out there? George Steinbrenner? Sabien? Theo? Get lost, Josh Byrnes. You have a bad  attitude. You don't think I'm worth 6-8 million bucks.
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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I heard he was looking for more than 5, but I don't think he's got any offers.
I figured 4 might be enough. |
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David B
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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He's already turned down $4 M from the Dodgers, with incentives that would have boosted it to $10 M.
Eric Gagne-R- Dodgers Dec. 7 - 12:52 am et
Eric Gagne rejected an offer from the Dodgers that would have guaranteed him about $4 million with a chance to make about $6 million more in incentives.
Not only does Gagne probably feel he can do better elsewhere, but he reportedly wants to go to a team that would guarantee him the chance to close. Boston would seem to be his best bet, especially if he wants to get to the postseason. If he's willing to accept a setup role, Toronto would be an intriguing alternative.
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Also why not take a chance on Keith Foulke for less money and what sounds like less risk. |
Well, foulke is going to cost 3-4 million as well, and if I could get Gagne, I would rather risk 3-4 million on him then foulke, as there is much greater upside.
If you are going to take the high risk, the bullpen and your last 4 million to spend is not a bad place to do it. Foulke has ALMOST as much the risk as gagne, without nearly the same amount of upside.
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tmar
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| tmar wrote: |
| If they trade Byrnes to pick up the extra $$ to sign him, I have no problem spending $6-8MM on a chance for the year. <mostly just to see what Hairston can do in LF> |
I don't think he is worth $6-8m if there hasn't been another starter added. Also why not take a chance on Keith Foulke for less money and what sounds like less risk.
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You didn't get the gist of my statement. If they trade Byrnes, I don't care what they do with the money they save as long as it isn't a multi-year commitment.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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i dont see why not....ASLONG...
1) his money does not cost us not getting any other deals this offseason....
2) his money does not cost us not getting any other deals this inseason....
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Espo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Ah sorry about that. Didn't catch that. I would agree with you on that then. I just would rather have Foulke for a year at $3-4M then Gange for $8M for a year. |
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Ah sorry about that. Didn't catch that. I would agree with you on that then. I just would rather have Foulke for a year at $3-4M then Gange for $8M for a year. |
I agree with that....i would not condone spending more than 4 million,.....maybe 4.5 million, or if you really really twist my arm, 5 million on Gagne.
No way 8, and he won't get that anyway. I doubt he gets over 5
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dirtygary
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I'd rather they move Byrnes, stash the extra cash, and spend it on the '08 team. I would say otherwise if we were going to contend for the division, but the Dodgers are running away with it, and if not, a closer at $6M isn't going to be the difference for us - a starter or LF'er at $14M will be. And even then, we're talking about a lot guys under 1,000 career AB's. We'd be wise to move everything that costs money that we don't plan on being with us in '08. '07 is going to be the rebuilding year, and we can finish near the bottom of the division with a $60M payroll just as easily as a $40M payroll.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| David B wrote: |
He's already turned down $4 M from the Dodgers, with incentives that would have boosted it to $10 M.
Eric Gagne-R- Dodgers Dec. 7 - 12:52 am et
Eric Gagne rejected an offer from the Dodgers that would have guaranteed him about $4 million with a chance to make about $6 million more in incentives.
Not only does Gagne probably feel he can do better elsewhere, but he reportedly wants to go to a team that would guarantee him the chance to close. Boston would seem to be his best bet, especially if he wants to get to the postseason. If he's willing to accept a setup role, Toronto would be an intriguing alternative.
Source: Dodgers.mlb.com |
Just saw this now David. Obviously this makes my question moot.
Should we lock the thread??? 
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Hank
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Gagne without the steroids is kind of useless at any price, let alone his asking price... |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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with his herky jerky mechanics, I think that he is always just inches away from the DL.
Pass. |
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tmar
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mlbtraderumors.com is reporting that the Gagne door is soon closing:
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Eric Gagne To Sign Today?
Gordon Edes of the Boston Globe reports that Eric Gagne should decide whether to become a Red Sox, Indian, or Ranger today.
Edes says the odds favor the Indians and Rangers, who seem more willing to guarantee Gagne $5MM. |
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Hank wrote: |
| Gagne without the steroids is kind of useless at any price, let alone his asking price... |
A friend of mine raised this issue in conversation with me as well. I think this is probably another reason to just forget about him.
As I said in the first post, I was just asking and investigating.....kicking the tires so to speak.
He does not pass inspection. Case closed.
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Espo
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| For $5mm guaranteed I'm glad the Dbacks aren't doing it. I just don't think a guy who didn't pitch at all really last year after elbow nerve surgery and the fact that some people feel may never be a dominant pitcher again is worth that kind of money. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I'd be worried about a guy that has spent about as much time on the mound as Terrance and Phillip on the mound in the last two years. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| For $5mm guaranteed I'm glad the Dbacks aren't doing it. I just don't think a guy who didn't pitch at all really last year after elbow nerve surgery and the fact that some people feel may never be a dominant pitcher again is worth that kind of money. |
Not so fast...
| Bob McManaman / The Arizona Republic this morning wrote: |
| Arizona also has some interest in free-agent reliever Eric Gagne, whose career began to unravel due to arm injuries. It could be a risky signing, but other clubs, including the Rangers, have talked about a one-year deal and that could make sense for the Diamondbacks if Gagne is able to pass a physical and provide some upgrade to the bullpen. |
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levski
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Espo wrote: |
| For $5mm guaranteed I'm glad the Dbacks aren't doing it. I just don't think a guy who didn't pitch at all really last year after elbow nerve surgery and the fact that some people feel may never be a dominant pitcher again is worth that kind of money. |
Not so fast...
| Bob McManaman / The Arizona Republic this morning wrote: |
| Arizona also has some interest in free-agent reliever Eric Gagne, whose career began to unravel due to arm injuries. It could be a risky signing, but other clubs, including the Rangers, have talked about a one-year deal and that could make sense for the Diamondbacks if Gagne is able to pass a physical and provide some upgrade to the bullpen. |
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AZ has a fine relationship with Boras. Gagne may be a better risk than Foulke at this point. Even though he may not be ready to start the season on the active roster
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tmar
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| If there was a team option on a second year I'd be more interested. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| according to people on primer quoting french canadian papers, gagne has agreed to join the rangers for about $8m on one year deal |
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