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Krodis · Journeyman Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 279

I call shenanigans

baldmaga · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject:

He didn't hit enough to win the Gold Glove.

SheriffWannaBe · Face of the Franchise Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 5286

ValueArb · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:43 am Post subject:

Defensive awards are the toughest to award, and are almost purely reputational. If he deserved it, it was because he was too young and yes, didn't hit well enough. But it's unclear whether he really deserved it.

ValueArb · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:51 am Post subject:

NL CF

Fielding Bible +/-

1.) Beltran +24
2.) Young +23
3.) Ross +15
4.) Gerut +12
5.) Victorino +10

Mclouth -40 (35th)

THT RZR (Based on BIS Data)

1.) Ross .952
2.) Young .947
3.) Rowand .945
4.) Cameron .943
5.) Beltran .925

Mclouth .867 (Dead Last)

THT OOZ

1. Beltran 111
2. Young 92
3. Mclouth 87
4. Victorino 83
5. Bourn 82

Stats Inc. Zone Rating, (Found at ESPN)

1.) Patterson .901
2.) Victorino .899
3.) Beltran .899
4.) Cameron .892
5.) Young .889

Mclouth .852 (2nd from the bottom)

Baseball Prospectus

Dangerfield · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:56 am Post subject:

trade him to Pitt for Capps and Sanchez.

Then trade Pena and Rauch for travis Buck.
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Dre · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject:

Dangerfield · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject:

We get T. Buck, I'll stop posting.
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Dangerfield · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=8&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=84&sortColumn=assists

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=8&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=84&sortColumn=fieldingPct

why is everyone so down on McClouth?
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levski · Number Retired Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 16856

Dangerfield · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject:

wrong, he can play center, and thats a big lc there. Now, what he can't do is play lf and rf too, which with Bay and Nady next to him, didn't make his job easy.
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levski · Number Retired Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 16856

AZ SnakePit · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject:

Totally unjustified. The more advanced the metric, the dumber this choice looks:

http://www.azsnakepit.com/2008/11/6/655283/nate-mclouth-gets-a-gold-g
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Dangerfield · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject:

levski · Number Retired Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 16856

Dangerfield:Baseball::McCain:Politics
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Dangerfield · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject:

baldmaga · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject:

EvilJuan · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:32 am Post subject:

Ghost of Lewis Grizzard · Journeyman Joined: 18 Apr 2008 Posts: 334

wedge · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject:

Dangerfield · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject:

levski · Number Retired Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 16856

Dangerfield · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject:

Your problem is Levski, you want to be me, even taking on the Rickles avatar, is a homage to Dangerfield. Rickles is funny, but he is no Dangerfield either. Too bad, you can't make points without always going to insults. You demean yourself, that way.

Now that said, Gizzard, made the point about McClouth, being the worst cf in all of baseball, which by ooz, proves he wasn't defensively, and by ooz numbers was one of the best. Add in his offense, and its not even close, to CY who the better cf is/was.

And if Byrnes was healthy, yes he too would of put the team in the playoffs ahead of CY.

Now, hopefully CY does better next year, but I'm still trading him.
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levski · Number Retired Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 16856

You don't think Tommy LaSorda would've been a good mother?

Listen, I'm sorry if I offended you. I never knew you disliked Littlefield.
But many (if not most) of your arguments are wrong, incoherent, or both.

McLouth is not a good defensive centerfielder. That's that. And his true talent isn't the one we all saw in the first half of the season. He's a 15-18 home run a year guy, with poor D in CF and not really enough bat to be a plus hitter in the corners. The Pirates would be smart to trade him away if someone bowled them over with an offer--except that they are the Pirates and don't really have anyone internally to replace him.

What he would've done in AZ is pointless. Irrelevant. Meaningless.
It does not change the fact that he was sub-par defensively in CF.
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NJ-DBACKS-FAN · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: