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MWS
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 Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: BA'S 07 Top 10 Prospect list for the D-Backs |
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From there 2007 Prospect book:
I went to 11 because of Ross being traded.
1- justin upton
2-chris young
3-carlos gonzalez
4-alberto callaspo
5-miguel montero
6-micah owings
7-mark reynolds
8-dustin nippert
9-tony pena
10-ross ohlendorf
11-brett anderson |
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levski
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fwiw, the sickels top 20 list
# Justin Upton, OF, Grade A- (He was coasting this year but should improve)
# Chris Young, OF, B+ (Should do everything except hit for average)
# Carlos Gonzalez, OF, Grade B+ (Weak plate discipline prevents A- grade)
# Miguel Montero, C, B+ (solid all-around catching prospect)
# Alberto Callaspo, 2B, B (Hits for average and fields well)
# Micah Owings, RHP, B (solid all-around pitching prospect)
# Brett Anderson, LHP, B (polished high school lefty should move quickly)
# Gerardo Parra, OF, B (not as much power as Gonzalez, but more speed and polish)
# Dustin Nippert, RHP, B- (Seems nervous in the majors)
# Brooks Brown, RHP, B- (Another solid all-around pitching prospect)
# Cyle Hankerd, OF, B- (very strong bat, but where does he fit?)
# Mark Reynolds, UT, C+ (good power, utility glove, Mark Bellhorn type?)
# Emilio Bonifacio, 2B, C+ (Good speed)
# Chris Carter, 1B, C+ (very strong bat, but where does he fit?)
# Matt Torra, RHP, C+ (Pitched well in August recovering from labrum surgery)
# Hector Ambriz, RHP, C+ (yet another solid all-around pitching prospect)
# Javier Brito, 1B, C+ (see Chris Carter)
# Alberto Gonzalez, SS, C+ (good glove)
# Steven Jackson, RHP, C+ (excellent season in Double-A following mechanical rebuild)
# Ross Ohlendorf, RHP, C+ (sleeper who throws strikes) |
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levski
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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linky to sickels
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2006/12/6/12650/2877 |
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Where would Scherzer slide in if they get him signed? |
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MWS
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe in the 8-10 range
He could either be another Luke Hochevar or Wade Townsend.
I personally would just take the extra draft pick for not signing him. |
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levski
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| On his site, Sickels says Scherzer would be number 5 after Montero; he would give him a B/B+ |
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matt
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: Re: BA'S 07 Top 10 Prospect list for the D-Backs |
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| MWS wrote: |
From there 2007 Prospect book:
I went to 11 because of Ross being traded.
1- justin upton
2-chris young
3-carlos gonzalez
4-alberto callaspo
5-miguel montero
6-micah owings
7-mark reynolds
8-dustin nippert
9-tony pena
10-ross ohlendorf
11-brett anderson |
huh, Pena ranked above Oldenhorf.
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TSWINDERS
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Top 10
1. Justin Upton
2. Chris Young
3. Carlos Gonzalez
4. Alberto Callaspo
5. Miguel Montero
6. Micah Owings
7. Mark Reynolds
8. Dustin Nippert
9. Tony Pena
10 Ross Ohlendorf
11-20
11. Brett Anderson
12. Emilo Bonifacio
13. Alberto Gonzalez
14. Gerardo Parra
15. Greg Smith
16. Cyle Hankerd
17. Chris Carter
18. Chris Rahl
19. Brooks Brown
20. Brian Barden
21-30
21. Andrew Fie
22. Hector Ambriz
23. Daniel Stange
24. Danny Richar
25. Pedro Ciriaco
26. Dallas Buck
27. Kyler Newby
28. Evan MacLane
29. Leyson Septimo
30. Matt Torra
Tools:
Avg= Justin Upton
Power Hitter= Mark Reynolds
Strike-Zone Discipline = Alberto Callaspo
Fastest Baserunner= Emilo Bonafacio
Athlete= Justin Upton
Fastball= Tony Pena
Curve= Dustin Nippert
Changeup= Greg Smith
Control= Ross Ohlendorf
Defensive Catcher= Miguel Montero
Defensive infielder= Alberto Gonzalez
Infield Arm= Alberto Gonzalez
Outfield= Chris Young
OF Arm= Carlos Gonzalez
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dbacks watcher
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Here's Scout.com's top 20 list
1. Carlos Gonzalez
2. Justin Upton
3. Miguel Montero
4. Chris Young
5. Greg Smith
6. Micah Owings
7. Danny Richar
8. Alberto Callaspo
9. Chris Carter
10. Cyle Hankerd
11. Doug Slaten
12. Emilio Bonafacio
13. Ross Ohlendorf
14. Mark reynolds
15. Dustin Nippert
16. Brooks Brown
17. Chris Rahl
18. Matt Elliott
19. Tony Pena
20. Alberto Gonzalez
We should revisit all of these after the season is over and see who had the best crystal ball. |
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Otacon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Montero over Young? LOLOL.
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TSWINDERS
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Otacon wrote: |
| Montero over Young? LOLOL. |
That is what I thought too. I have no idea how they came up with this.
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webby17
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: |
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For Scout
Richar is too high
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TSWINDERS
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: |
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For Scout
Richar is too high |
That was the other one I just laughed at. Ahead of Callaspo, Reynolds and Nippert.
Chris Carter at 9 is to high considering he is the definition of DH.
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David B
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Chris Carter at 9 is to high considering he is the definition of DH. |
If Chris Carter turned out to be the next David Ortiz, would nine still be too high?
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shoewizard
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I don't think he had David Ortiz' level of production in mind when he said "DH"
Ortiz OPS+ last 4 years
Adjusted OPS+
2003 AL-144-8
2004 AL-145-5
2005 AL-161-3
2006 AL-164-3
Just think, 5 straight more years at the same level and he would almost as good as Edgar Martinez was.  |
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TSWINDERS
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| David B wrote: |
| TSWINDERS wrote: |
| Chris Carter at 9 is to high considering he is the definition of DH. |
If Chris Carter turned out to be the next David Ortiz, would nine still be too high?
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Wow, Chris Carter and David Ortiz in the same sentence. If he does become "David Ortiz" like then he will make an American League team very happy. He needs to improve on Defense to have any kind of shot with the Dbacks because right now he makes Ortiz at 1st look like Todd Helton.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| TSWINDERS wrote: |
| David B wrote: |
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| Chris Carter at 9 is to high considering he is the definition of DH. |
If Chris Carter turned out to be the next David Ortiz, would nine still be too high?
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Wow, Chris Carter and David Ortiz in the same sentence. If he does become "David Ortiz" like then he will make an American League team very happy. He needs to improve on Defense to have any kind of shot with the Dbacks because right now he makes Ortiz at 1st look like Todd Helton.
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if he hit like big papi, i dont care if he went out in the field with pots and pans as a glove
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David B
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Not that Chris Carter is David Ortiz, but I was just trying to assess the value of someone who is "only a dh." Obviously, not all dh-ers are created equal. |
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TSWINDERS
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| David B wrote: |
| Not that Chris Carter is David Ortiz, but I was just trying to assess the value of someone who is "only a dh." Obviously, not all dh-ers are created equal. |
I understand and I also like Carter he has the ability to pick out pitches and with his quick hands he can punish a pitch to wherever he wants. Bat wise he is MLB ready now but here in AZ he has little chance to have a career. If he does hook on with an AL team he could easily be a .280 25 HR 100 RBI guy at some point in his career.
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TSWINDERS
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| shoewizard wrote: |
| Where would Scherzer slide in if they get him signed? |
BA has him 6th between Montero and Owings.
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David B
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| Just think, 5 straight more years at the same level and he would almost as good as Edgar Martinez was. |
Oh, but shoe...the Mariners desperately needed those 28 games of Dave Hollins to cement their second place finish in 1996.
Outside of the two years he was injured/recovering (1993-94), Edgar was an OPS+ machine between 1990 and 2003.
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shoewizard
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Yeah....thats what I was getting at. As far as I'm concerned, Edgar should be a hall of famer. I hope he makes it in, I really do.
If Ortiz averages about 150-160 OPS+ for 5 more years, he will STILL be short of Edgar's accomplishments by a good 3 seasons or so.
Amazing hitter. |
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Aaron
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Here's BA's online write-up of the Diamondback system. Most of the juicy stuff (scouting reports and Diamondback chat) is for members only... |
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I enjoyed this part:
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PROJECTED 2010
LINEUP
Catcher Miguel Montero
First Base Conor Jackson
Second Base Alberto Callaspo
Third Base Chad Tracy
Shortstop Stephen Drew
Left Field Carlos Quentin
Center Field Chris Young
Right Field Justin Upton
No. 1 Starter Brandon Webb
No. 2 Starter Micah Owings
No. 3 Starter Dustin Nippert
No. 4 Starter Doug Davis
No. 5 Starter Brett Anderson
Closer Tony Pena |
Anyone but me notice the conspicuous absence of Carlos Gonzalez, #3 on the propsect list? 
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TSWINDERS
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| B. O. N. D. wrote: |
I enjoyed this part:
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PROJECTED 2010
LINEUP
Catcher Miguel Montero
First Base Conor Jackson
Second Base Alberto Callaspo
Third Base Chad Tracy
Shortstop Stephen Drew
Left Field Carlos Quentin
Center Field Chris Young
Right Field Justin Upton
No. 1 Starter Brandon Webb
No. 2 Starter Micah Owings
No. 3 Starter Dustin Nippert
No. 4 Starter Doug Davis
No. 5 Starter Brett Anderson
Closer Tony Pena |
Anyone but me notice the conspicuous absence of Carlos Gonzalez, #3 on the propsect list?
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Yes I did. I love it when we have too many good OF's for positions available!
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