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shoewizard · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: Eric Byrnes .795 OPS, UP or Down?

Lets try not to let the desire of most of us to see him traded cloud our objectivity on this one. Wink

TAP · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:46 am Post subject:

Eric's career OPS, including last year, is .771. Unless Barry's recently introduced Eric to Victor Conte, his OPS going forward isn't likely to increase at 31-years of age.

Dangerfield · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:56 am Post subject:

It'll be way up next year. If he wasn't for the 4 hole last year, he probably would of hit .280. Don't discount, high iq, high energy, guys. If he puts his mind to being a great baseball player it'll happen.
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Hank · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:59 am Post subject:

EvilJuan · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:07 am Post subject:

Down. Probably not by much, but down nevertheless.

The only way out would be if he was platooned -- but I've already expressed my lack of confidence in Melvin in this reqard.

And yes, Eric Byrnes should be traded.
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matt · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:23 am Post subject:

I voted down, I don't think it will be down by much but it will be slightly down. However, I agree with EJ that if he is platooned properly it could be up by quite a bit.

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Oden · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:17 am Post subject:

If he's used more appropriately this year it should go up, no? So, I say slightly down. He's bested .795 only once in his career, so I'm going with the odds and BM's stupidity on this guess.
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shoewizard · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:46 am Post subject:

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McCray · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject:

i vote down. he just seems really easy to exploit at the plate -- all those IF pop ups. if he's platooned, he might beat that mark... but the FO has shown us they won't platoon "the face of the franchise", so why expect it in EB's case?
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stu · Everyday Player Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 560

While his OPS may not have been as high his OPS+ was. Of the years that Byrnes played regularly in one city (just 3 years), last year was his lowest OPS+.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/byrneer01.shtml

I'm voting up although I am not as bullish on him as I was last year.

foulpole · Veteran Presence Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1358

I'm guessing up. DaVanon missed about the last 1/3 of the '06 season and if he is healthy I feel that will help Byrnes' numbers with platooning and some blow time for Byrnesie.

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dirtygary · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject:

EB isn't a "marquee" player, he's a role player. As soon as Melvin puts him in clean-up, he's gonna choke. Especially in the everyday role.
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shoewizard · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:08 am Post subject:

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EvilJuan · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:56 am Post subject:

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You know you're full of bullshit when you can't even agree with yourself Laughing

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Dangerfield · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:15 am Post subject:

I was thinking about why he was effective in the two hole. It might be because he's so high strung, that waiting to hit 7 feels like a double header, been played.
Batting him 4, was like putting McCray, pre-fiance of course, in a room full of strippers dressed like Catholic School girls.
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Oden · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:23 am Post subject:

Batting orders still matter to managers, so good or bad, they still matter. If BM putting Byrnes in a certain spot makes the opposing manager change pitchers, it matters to that effect.
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