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matt · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 3657

geoff,

that is a copout. If you don't think EB is worth 4/40 then you can't fault the team. He can and probably will get more than that as a free agent.

I think Byrnes will be a professional about all of this. He's not like Gonzo and the situation is totally different.

FWIW, they are not paying through the nose for Randy. They are paying him 3.5 this year, 10.5 next year and 4 in both 09 and 10.

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geeeeeeoff · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject:

qudjy1 · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 4283

I agree - but...

At some point, you have to pay for guys who are better than average, even though they can be replaced by cheap average production. Pujols is worth whatever he wants, and even if you have Loney on the bench - you still want pujols if you catch my drift...

EB isnt the guy that fits this example IMO.

geeeeeeoff · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject:

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geeeeeeoff · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject:

levski · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 4491

geoff, it's obvious you have very little knowledge and/or understanding on how to evaluate EB's true value, as a player in an abstract sense, and as a player in AZ, for the next 5 years. don't go apoplectic over things you don't understand...

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geeeeeeoff · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject:

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shoewizard · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject:

Geoff, you are a new member of this forum, and yet you still deem it acceptable to call some of the long term members of this forum idiots. And F You is just as offensive as Fuck You. (Unless we are to believe the F stands for French Kiss)

You are free to your opinions, and free to express them, but it is the spate of posts like this where people feel the need to personalize every debate that has me less and less interested in participating in this site.

If you have an intelligent, reasoned argument for why you think Eric Byrnes is worth 4 years 40 million or 5 years 50 million or whatever, then make the argument.

But as levski said, you expose your lack of understanding and ability to appraise market value with each and every post, and then you proceed to cuss others out and call them idiots.

Thats not welcome here.

Really, WE ALL need to stop personalizing our arguments. I totally sick of it. Why does every debate where people have different opinions have to get so damn personal.

This has got to stop guys. This site pretty much sucks lately....every thread turns into a fight. I have been a part of it, and it's why i keep taking timeouts from the board.

But if this keeps up, I really will be out of here for good.

All I can do is make a personal pledge. No more derogatory remarks about other posters. Argue against ideas you don't agree with. Stop arguing against the PERSON, and your perceived notions of their background, character, or whatever.

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moviegeekjn · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject:

Dave Burns on post game says that Josh Byrnes has stated that he "will not trade Eric Byrnes this season." No surprise there... if they could, it would've been done before.
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DesertKnight · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject:

If I might just throw out a reminder of something I think we all know that's relevant to the Byrnes discussions--This team is trying to pay down a lot of outstanding debt from the Colangelo years. Kendrick has said that payroll will increase in a couple of years once that debt is paid down, and then there will be money to bring in above-average or exceptional players at higher salaries. But this is a business, and Kendrick is trying to get the team on a good long-term financial footing. Overpaying for Byrnes just because he's "the face of the franchise" would push back the ability of this team to get in a financial position to seriously compete. It sucks that money is such a defining factor, but that's what happens in a capitalist society. Byrnes isn't worth (IMHO) what he's asking, and even if he was, we still couldn't afford to pay it.

YBC-Dog · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject:

What I want to know is this: When does this "face of the franchise" stuff gets put up for a vote, and how do I get representation? Or is there a strange system of women distributing swords from lakes that is used to determine the "face of a franchise".

Byrnes has only been here 2 years...shouldn't he have to work his way up from "fan favorite" for 3 or 4 years before getting to qualify as the face?

Geoff should say it like it is and just say that Eric Byrnes is HIS favorite player right now.

A lot of D-back fans would agree with him. One of my friends who is a die-hard hippie, is also a big EB fan. His reasoning? Byrnes has the Grateful Dead as his intro music. How can you argue with logic like that (especially after said friend gave you a couple brownies)?

I also know a lot of girls like his hair, and others are enamored with his "hustle".

Still, saying a 2 year stop-gap is the face of the franchise is silly...why not make O-Dawg the face...hey, Double D will be here for 3 years, does that qualify him as face material?

Seriously though, Josh Byrnes did the right thing here, glad everyone out here realizes it.

We just finally this year got out from under a lot of dead weight contracts, I would've banged my head against a wall had we added EB in after the experience with Gonzo, Shawn Green, and all the other big contracts that ended up being albatrosses on this team.

wedge · Journeyman Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 273

the face of a franchise, in this case I think, was decided upon in part by the marketing department, the fact that Byrnes has his nose in pretty much anything right now (his own show, his segment on TWIB, the all star game, etc.) and the fact he's "flashy" and plays "like his hair is on fire" in the outfield. (Remember when batshit crazy Mondesi came over from the Yankees? The fans loved him). I think that sort of leads to an infectious style that has led Byrnes to earning that title. Secondly, I don't think there's anyone that can unseat that outside from Hudson right now, and again that's because he's a "flashy" type of guy. Guys like Drew and Young won't earn that title yet until they either play to their potential or develop that "flash"/

In no way am I condoning that "flash" is something other players need to possess.

JGDBAX · Journeyman Joined: 07 Apr 2007 Posts: 250

well, according to mil4u.com http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=166

I wonder how they came upon the information that he has asked the DBacks for 5 years $45 mill?

Riskman96 · MLB Rookie Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 111

I am a big Eric Byrnes fan. I think his aggresive offensive style is good for the team. Some of the others are a little to laid back. However, he is not worth $8 mil plus. Not for this team. As has been said, it makes more sense to use some of the other talanted players we have. Short of an injury, I don't see anyone offerin enough to warrent a trade. Although you never know right before the deadline. Teams do get desperate enough to rent a player for three months.