Also they still have a lot of relatively young pitchers on that staff. He can help them too.

Risky to sign a guy that age coming off that injury......but they can afford it....

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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-l ... --mlb.html

Look at the now "slimmed down" version of Barroid

Got a chuckle out of the Rotoworld updates for Giants Starters between March 15-18th

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/mlb/baseball

Ryan Vogelsong was rocked

Tim Lincecum struggled

Tim Hudson wasn't sharp

Edwin Escobar had a rough go of it

Matt Cain was obliterated

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

Meant to post this the other day

Tim Lincecum before "meeting" Paul Gold Schmidt, (From Start of Career thru August 1, 2011)

144G, 953 IP, 65-35 WL, 3.00 ERA, 10.00 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, 0.56 HR/9

Since meeting Paul on August 2nd, 2011,

78 G, 468 IP, 4.54 ERA, 8.9 K/9, 3.8 BB/9, 1.06 HR/9

Coincidence ?

I think not. Goldschmidt Happens !!

Seriously, I think Paul Goldschmidt might be single handedly responsible for destroying Tim Lincecums confidence.

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Didn't we at one time link it based on Timmy hitting Upton in the head in 2011?

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The god damned plane has crashed into the mountain.

I like my narrative better.

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Timmy just no-hit the Padres.

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He looked good, just hope it doesn't last.

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Good for him that Goldy isn't a Padre.

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Congrats to him, he's still capable of great things.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #RedSox, #SFGiants were in serious discussions on Peavy yesterday.

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Peavy deal done

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Matt Cain to meet with Dr. Andrews

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1811 career innings

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Is that number like "26" is the age when players start decline?

1800 in pitched is a marker for tj surgery?

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Might be the greatest post in the history of this board

No......not at all....I was just thinking about his workload in general. He had a fairly high workload for a young pitcher.

Not too many guys in the last 20 years have thrown more innings through age 29

link

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

I wonder how that chart would look if it could include college and minor league innings pitched as well. Not a lot of guys debut at 21 and start throwing 35 starts per year right away.

SF Giants update: 5'11" 245+ lbs Pablo Sandoval seeks at least six-year deal

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Here is some back of the Napkin stuff for how I view Pablo.

Over the last 3 seasons he has a weighted avg of 2.9 WAR, (Simple 3,2,1 weighting)

Scenario 1 is realistic , Scenario 2 is Optimistic

Scenario 1

WAR Projection/ WAR Dollar Value

2015 age 28 3.0 WAR x 5.5M WAR = 17.5 M
2016 age 29 2.5 WAR x 6.0M WAR = 15.0 M
2017 Age 30 2.0 WAR x 6.5M WAR = 13.0 M
2018 Age 31 1.5 WAR x 7.0 M WAR = 10.5M
2019 Age 32 1.0 WAR x 7.5 M WAR = 7.5 M
2020 Age 33 1.0 WAR x 8.0 M WAR = 8.0 M

6 Year Total 11 WAR, 71.5 M Value, 45.5M of the value or 64% comes in the first 3 years.

In this scenario giving him an avg annual of 15 M over 6 years , total 90 M would leave a team exposed to his decline/injury concerns and coming up about 20 M short on value, give or take.

Scenario 2
2015 age 28 3.0 WAR x 5.5M WAR = 17.5 M
2016 age 29 3.0 WAR x 6.0M WAR = 18.0 M
2017 Age 30 2.5 WAR x 6.5M WAR = 16.25 M
2018 Age 31 2.0 WAR x 7.0 M WAR = 14 M
2019 Age 32 1.5 WAR x 7.5 M WAR = 11.25 M
2020 Age 33 1.0 WAR x 8.0 M WAR = 8.0 M

6 yr total 13 WAR 85 M Value, with about 52M or 61% of the value coming in the first 3 years.

In this scenario he maintains the 3 WAR level the next two years, and declines gradually from there.

Essentially what I see with Sandoval is there is no upside to a 6 year 90 M deal. That is the absolute Max he would be likely to earn, unless he gets better than he has been the last 3 seasons in terms of both health and performance. Keep in mind I am increasing the value per WAR considerably so that offsets inflation and cost of money, although some would argue I am not increasing the value per WAR quickly enough.


Considering his popularity, post season performance, brand value, etc, if I am the Giants I would consider the 6/90 offer, but absolutely no higher than that. If I am another team there is no way I look at more than 5/75 for Pablo.

But somebody will overpay. My guess is if he has to accept a 5 year deal, he gets 18M a year, or 5/90, and he might get some crazy team to pay him 6/120.

Thats a big range from my Max values of 5/75-6/90, and the range of expected actual contract of 5/90-6/120, but thats the crazy world we live in.

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Good depth often has to come from within, in the form of younger talent. Depth is hard to build overnight, but it’s easy to deplete. Jeff Sullivan

Major League club executive: "Red Sox 'all in' on Pablo Sandoval"

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